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What madness is this? Is there such a thing as a partial baby or an incomplete baby or a pre-baby? The pro-murder crowd wants us to consider the baby to be nothing more than some sort of tumor, something as useless as the appendix might be. How insane is that?
If we consider human life to be of less value because of the stage of life it is in than we are on a very slippery slope. Maybe we can define a human if their IQ is 100 or above. Maybe we can define by their ability to speak. Maybe we can define human life by age, so the elderly can be euthanized. Hitler decided decide that "defective people" should not waste resources so he killed the mentally retarded, autistic, the mentally ill , homosexual, Jews , Gypses and criminal on the same exact slope you want to drag us all down to. It's called "Let's play God and decide who lives or dies". How absurd!
A woman who terminates her pregnancy because it is an inconvenience has committed the worst type of murder I can think of.
If we consider human life to be of less value because of the stage of life it is in than we are on a very slippery slope. Maybe we can define a human if their IQ is 100 or above. Maybe we can define by their ability to speak. Maybe we can define human life by age, so the elderly can be euthanized. Hitler decided decide that "defective people" should not waste resources so he killed the mentally retarded, autistic, the mentally ill , homosexual, Jews , Gypses and criminal on the same exact slope you want to drag us all down to. It's called "Let's play God and decide who lives or dies". How absurd!
A woman who terminates her pregnancy because it is an inconvenience has committed the worst type of murder I can think of.
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Does plant life have a soul? There's no way to know for absolute certain, yet we mow our lawn. What qualifies as "alive" and good enough for God to pay attention to? It's a slippery slope.
"What madness is this? Is there such a thing as a partial baby or an incomplete baby or a pre-baby? The pro-murder crowd wants us to consider the baby to be nothing more than some sort of tumor, something as useless as the appendix might be. How insane is that?
If we consider human life to be of less value because of the stage of life it is in than we are on a very slippery slope. Maybe we can define a human if their IQ is 100 or above. Maybe we can define by their ability to speak. Maybe we can define human life by age, so the elderly can be euthanized. Hitler decided decide that "defective people" should not waste resources so he killed the mentally retarded, autistic, the mentally ill , homosexual, Jews , Gypses and criminal on the same exact slope you want to drag us all down to. It's called "Let's play God and decide who lives or dies". How absurd!
A woman who terminates her pregnancy because it is an inconvenience has committed the worst type of murder I can think of."
Are you really comparing me to Hitler? Seriously? I show compassion and nonjudgmental attitudes towards women who want to live and I get compared to Hitler? Did I say women should be able to get abortions as regular birth control? No! NO! NO NO NO! NIET! NEIN! IE! BU! NON! I NEVER did. However, saying that NO woman is allowed to have abortions under ANY circumstance is murdering the women at that point and THAT'S where I have an issue. Do I believe we should take pregnant women and use them as trampolines? No, but somehow that'll be implied and assumed of me. Just because I don't want to murder women who are in danger from childbirth and could adopt a child and give it a loving home, suddenly I'm Hitler.
"What madness is this? Is there such a thing as a partial baby or an incomplete baby or a pre-baby? The pro-murder crowd wants us to consider the baby to be nothing more than some sort of tumor, something as useless as the appendix might be. How insane is that?
If we consider human life to be of less value because of the stage of life it is in than we are on a very slippery slope. Maybe we can define a human if their IQ is 100 or above. Maybe we can define by their ability to speak. Maybe we can define human life by age, so the elderly can be euthanized. Hitler decided decide that "defective people" should not waste resources so he killed the mentally retarded, autistic, the mentally ill , homosexual, Jews , Gypses and criminal on the same exact slope you want to drag us all down to. It's called "Let's play God and decide who lives or dies". How absurd!
A woman who terminates her pregnancy because it is an inconvenience has committed the worst type of murder I can think of."
Are you really comparing me to Hitler? Seriously? I show compassion and nonjudgmental attitudes towards women who want to live and I get compared to Hitler? Did I say women should be able to get abortions as regular birth control? No! NO! NO NO NO! NIET! NEIN! IE! BU! NON! I NEVER did. However, saying that NO woman is allowed to have abortions under ANY circumstance is murdering the women at that point and THAT'S where I have an issue. Do I believe we should take pregnant women and use them as trampolines? No, but somehow that'll be implied and assumed of me. Just because I don't want to murder women who are in danger from childbirth and could adopt a child and give it a loving home, suddenly I'm Hitler.
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Firstly, slippery slope fallacy https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope. It's common sense to make a distinction between grass which has never known to have either become a human adult or have a human adult come from it and fertilized human eggs because, 100% of us come from fertilized eggs and 100% of fertilized eggs have a reasonable potential of developing into adult humans. Unless you want to give me a decent definition of personhood I see no reason to remove fertilized eggs from the definition as they are considered to be individual humans in the scientific community.
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With all due respect, you err not knowing the Scripture. A fetus becomes a baby in God's eyes at the moment of conception . . .
Psalm 139:16 (NAS) "Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them."
"unformed substance" so even when a baby is just a few cells, God is aware of him/her.
Psalm 139:16 (NAS) "Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them."
"unformed substance" so even when a baby is just a few cells, God is aware of him/her.
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Part of the argument is that it's not a religious topic we're trying to force people to adhere to, it's the legal/medical. With that said, besides the Scripture, where does a fetus become a full-blown baby? I understand what our Lord says. However, to force the government to adhere to Christian ideals only when we supposedly offer freedom of religion and that no one religion will be established as the nation's religion, we can't do that. Even if we changed that and said "Ok, Christianity it is then" how do we know what denomination?
This, as a few people have said, isn't really the religious point of it, but rather a legal point. Regardless as to how God feels about it, if it's a sin, it can be forgiven and already has been, so what's the point. It's not like we're saying all pregnant women need to get abortions. Not even saying all pregnant women should get abortions. But what's the big deal? If it's a sin, they can ask for forgiveness. Who cares beyond that? Trying to say "I know this is what God wants for the US" is playing with fire.
and before danschance says something about it- no, i'm not saying let's exterminate all the pregnant women with fire.
This, as a few people have said, isn't really the religious point of it, but rather a legal point. Regardless as to how God feels about it, if it's a sin, it can be forgiven and already has been, so what's the point. It's not like we're saying all pregnant women need to get abortions. Not even saying all pregnant women should get abortions. But what's the big deal? If it's a sin, they can ask for forgiveness. Who cares beyond that? Trying to say "I know this is what God wants for the US" is playing with fire.
and before danschance says something about it- no, i'm not saying let's exterminate all the pregnant women with fire.
Are we God? We should leave "who lives and who dies" to God.
i would imagine much much LESS then the murder cases of human children (abortions) now.
Doesn't God decide who lives and who dies? i wander how many raped mothers who were told by men they would die if they had that child, Didn't actually die? Are doctors God? Just because doctors say a person will die, doesn't mean they will indeed die. God decides who will live and who will die. And if they die, are they not in a far better place with Jesus? Isn't it therefore better to be dead with Christ, then to be alive on Earth and not in Heaven? Is it not written, He that loves life, will lose it.
Which is better in the eyes of God, a mother who is willing to die to see that her child lives, or a mother who kills the child to make sure she lives? Are we not to love others, Is that not what our Lord and Savior Jesus told, strike that, commanded us to do, to love others. Where then is the love for the child from the mother? Is it not written there is no greater love then for a person to lay down his/her life for another? where is the Love for the unborn child?
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i would imagine much much LESS then the murder cases of human children (abortions) now.
Doesn't God decide who lives and who dies? i wander how many raped mothers who were told by men they would die if they had that child, Didn't actually die? Are doctors God? Just because doctors say a person will die, doesn't mean they will indeed die. God decides who will live and who will die. And if they die, are they not in a far better place with Jesus? Isn't it therefore better to be dead with Christ, then to be alive on Earth and not in Heaven? Is it not written, He that loves life, will lose it.
Which is better in the eyes of God, a mother who is willing to die to see that her child lives, or a mother who kills the child to make sure she lives? Are we not to love others, Is that not what our Lord and Savior Jesus told, strike that, commanded us to do, to love others. Where then is the love for the child from the mother? Is it not written there is no greater love then for a person to lay down his/her life for another? where is the Love for the unborn child?
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Oh I see, so my niece who died during childbirth didn't ACTUALLY die. You know that for a fact? Since the dr. told her she'd die in delivery, he was clearly lying since he's not God. Huh, guess putting a gun against my head won't necessarily kill me since my dr told me it would. ty. gonna go cut now. Reach out for help, try to offer opinions and see where the facts are and I'm told to go kill myself..... this is why I have trouble with this site anyway.
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Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
I think ignorance has a lot to do with abortion. If only the mother could realize what a horrible death abortion really is. Regardless of whether you believe a fetus to be a person, (which I do) there is little doubt of the pain involved, and the fear it brings that tiny life, up until life is no more. Rarely does the mother who has aborted a child go on with life as before, for always wondering, for regretting. This is information readily found for anyone truly seeking to know.
I think ignorance has a lot to do with abortion. If only the mother could realize what a horrible death abortion really is. Regardless of whether you believe a fetus to be a person, (which I do) there is little doubt of the pain involved, and the fear it brings that tiny life, up until life is no more. Rarely does the mother who has aborted a child go on with life as before, for always wondering, for regretting. This is information readily found for anyone truly seeking to know.