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It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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the scripture proves you deny God in good works, the scripture proves you refuse to walk the way we were ordained to walk, the scripture proves you are disobedient to the faith.
you say a man must not work because it trying to earn salvation
you deny the way we are ordained to walk
you deny followers of Christ are saved
Knowing that God never changes and that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8), it is reasonable to say that what I believe must not be picked out from just one scripture but must be supported in both the Old and the New Testaments.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16). Simply, we cannot ignore a scripture because it seems to say something we do not want to hear.
Scripture tells us to, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".
If we are saved regardless of what we do, this scripture in Philippians 2:12 would make no sense at all. If we accept this scripture for what it says, we can understand that our salvation is still within our control, for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). Why then is it in our control? Simply because we have been given the ability to reject God's work in our lives in favour of our own sinful desires.
When we give our hearts to God and receive Him as our Lord and Master, we receive the sure promise of or salvation. In the very instance that we receive Him into our lives as our God, we are made perfect and scripture is fulfilled in our lives. We are saved and all of our sins are forgiven. However, those sins that are forgiven are the past sins and not the future sins that we may still commit. Once we are saved, when we sin, our salvation is still possible through our repentance of those sins. Without that repentance, our sin separates us from God in exactly the same way as it did with Adam.
Hebrews 2:1-3 - Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him.
If the scripture tells us that we can drift away and neglect so great a salvation, how is it that we can be so certain that we cannot?
Hebrews 3:12 - Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.
If the scripture warns us to beware of this, how can we say this cannot be?
Hebrews 6:4-6 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
If the scripture tells us that we can fall away, who are we to say that we cannot?
1 Corinthians 9:27 - But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
Even Paul knew that he himself might be disqualified if he didn’t take care. Are we any different from him?
Romans 8:13 - For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Here is the point that we must start to understand. If we live according to the flesh, we will die (in the biblical term of being separated from God).
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16). Simply, we cannot ignore a scripture because it seems to say something we do not want to hear.
Scripture tells us to, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".
If we are saved regardless of what we do, this scripture in Philippians 2:12 would make no sense at all. If we accept this scripture for what it says, we can understand that our salvation is still within our control, for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). Why then is it in our control? Simply because we have been given the ability to reject God's work in our lives in favour of our own sinful desires.
When we give our hearts to God and receive Him as our Lord and Master, we receive the sure promise of or salvation. In the very instance that we receive Him into our lives as our God, we are made perfect and scripture is fulfilled in our lives. We are saved and all of our sins are forgiven. However, those sins that are forgiven are the past sins and not the future sins that we may still commit. Once we are saved, when we sin, our salvation is still possible through our repentance of those sins. Without that repentance, our sin separates us from God in exactly the same way as it did with Adam.
Hebrews 2:1-3 - Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him.
If the scripture tells us that we can drift away and neglect so great a salvation, how is it that we can be so certain that we cannot?
Hebrews 3:12 - Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.
If the scripture warns us to beware of this, how can we say this cannot be?
Hebrews 6:4-6 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
If the scripture tells us that we can fall away, who are we to say that we cannot?
1 Corinthians 9:27 - But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
Even Paul knew that he himself might be disqualified if he didn’t take care. Are we any different from him?
Romans 8:13 - For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Here is the point that we must start to understand. If we live according to the flesh, we will die (in the biblical term of being separated from God).
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Let's see if Stephen follows the usual objector pattern of not using passages that speak of losing salvation or losing faith, but bringing in other passages, then alleging that they conflict with eternal security
Stephen, you are just saying something now; no proof for that one.
Verse says nothing about losing salvation.
Such a conclusion is not obvious at all. It makes perfect sense without bringing in a topic not in the verse -- nothing there about losing salvation.
Stephen, that is just you up & saying things. You don't prove "control" at all, neither does the passage refer to control. In fact "God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure"(next verse) does not support your claims at all.
The passage doesn't address how much ability or lack of it we have to reject God's work. Neither is there any hint that rejecting God's control leads to losing salvation. You are dreaming up, not doing exegesis.
If it is sure, then it is not losable. Now don't go and deny salvation; how can a man be saved if he is not saved? "Thou shalt call HIs name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins." Do not demote the Savior to a "chance-giver."
That is you saying it; you give no Bible proof.
No proof, just spoof Stephen. The Christian is put into the Body of Christ. And He is assured that he has eternal life and shall never perish. It cannot be in exactly the same way or their would be no doctrine of chastening. Sons get chastening. We are not in Adam's shoes. Adam had never been saved when Adam sinned. We get the gift of eternal life when saved, and the gifts & calling of God are without repentance. If one lost his salvation when he sinned (as Adam was condemned for sinning), then the sinning Christian would not be a son & could not then be chastened. Moreover, Christians sin in many things, according to James. Every day one would have an Adamic fall. This is non-Biblical.
Heb 11
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin: and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons,
My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord,
Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.
Great passage. And I urge you not to neglect so great a salvation. We are saved to the uttermost. We shall not perish, but have everlasting life. He who began a good work in you will complete it. He is the author & perfecter of our faith. Neglect not this great salvation.
Of course you can drift away from and neglect so great a salvation. One way could be to refuse to trust the Lord Jesus as SAvior, and demote HIm to a "chance-giver." So there He is right now, knocking on the door. Can you accept Him as Savior instead of "chance-giver"? He promises "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
Who said it could not be? Are you not living proof that it can be?
I can see that people don't read or don't pay attention to the preceding. This has been answered over & over. Heb 6:9 explains 6:4-8 as being things that fall short of salvation, not the better things that pertain to salvation.
This is a typical suggestion where "salvation" is not in the verse at all. You need clear scripture, not "fall away," which could be like a dog chasing a car, not getting in but falling away. Focus on scripture that is on topic, eternal life, salvation.
1 Cor 9 is about winning an athletic contest, like getting a stephanos victor's wreath crown for winning a race & being disqualified. This is rewards which are earned, not salvation which is a free gift not of works.
If anyone would be like Paul, he needs to trust Christ as SAvior and be justified by faith, apart from works. If someone has Christ demoted to a chance-giver, that someone is no Paul. But rewards are losable. Yet you are not eligible for rewards until you are born again.
More of the same error. You try to prove something about salvation when the verse says nothing about salvation.
There you go,nothing about salvation, but speculation based on what death is. Death can be physical; death can be a state of out of fellowship with Christ. Awake thou that sleepest & rise from the dead & Christ will shine upon you. Or carnality can be called death: Rom 7: I was alive apart from the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. . . . I am carnal sold under sin. Paul says he was not doing what he wished to do, but sin in his flesh was getting the best of him. Then he affirms that Christ will deliver Him from this.
So speculating on which figurative meaning of death or physical meaning is meant, proves nothing about losing salvation. No such terminology is used.
So what is this, a paste from an internet site? Shall I paste some from eternal security sites?
Stephen, you are just saying something now; no proof for that one.
Verse says nothing about losing salvation.
Such a conclusion is not obvious at all. It makes perfect sense without bringing in a topic not in the verse -- nothing there about losing salvation.
Stephen, that is just you up & saying things. You don't prove "control" at all, neither does the passage refer to control. In fact "God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure"(next verse) does not support your claims at all.
The passage doesn't address how much ability or lack of it we have to reject God's work. Neither is there any hint that rejecting God's control leads to losing salvation. You are dreaming up, not doing exegesis.
If it is sure, then it is not losable. Now don't go and deny salvation; how can a man be saved if he is not saved? "Thou shalt call HIs name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins." Do not demote the Savior to a "chance-giver."
That is you saying it; you give no Bible proof.
No proof, just spoof Stephen. The Christian is put into the Body of Christ. And He is assured that he has eternal life and shall never perish. It cannot be in exactly the same way or their would be no doctrine of chastening. Sons get chastening. We are not in Adam's shoes. Adam had never been saved when Adam sinned. We get the gift of eternal life when saved, and the gifts & calling of God are without repentance. If one lost his salvation when he sinned (as Adam was condemned for sinning), then the sinning Christian would not be a son & could not then be chastened. Moreover, Christians sin in many things, according to James. Every day one would have an Adamic fall. This is non-Biblical.
Heb 11
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin: and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons,
My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord,
Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.
Great passage. And I urge you not to neglect so great a salvation. We are saved to the uttermost. We shall not perish, but have everlasting life. He who began a good work in you will complete it. He is the author & perfecter of our faith. Neglect not this great salvation.
Of course you can drift away from and neglect so great a salvation. One way could be to refuse to trust the Lord Jesus as SAvior, and demote HIm to a "chance-giver." So there He is right now, knocking on the door. Can you accept Him as Savior instead of "chance-giver"? He promises "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
Who said it could not be? Are you not living proof that it can be?
I can see that people don't read or don't pay attention to the preceding. This has been answered over & over. Heb 6:9 explains 6:4-8 as being things that fall short of salvation, not the better things that pertain to salvation.
This is a typical suggestion where "salvation" is not in the verse at all. You need clear scripture, not "fall away," which could be like a dog chasing a car, not getting in but falling away. Focus on scripture that is on topic, eternal life, salvation.
1 Cor 9 is about winning an athletic contest, like getting a stephanos victor's wreath crown for winning a race & being disqualified. This is rewards which are earned, not salvation which is a free gift not of works.
If anyone would be like Paul, he needs to trust Christ as SAvior and be justified by faith, apart from works. If someone has Christ demoted to a chance-giver, that someone is no Paul. But rewards are losable. Yet you are not eligible for rewards until you are born again.
More of the same error. You try to prove something about salvation when the verse says nothing about salvation.
There you go,nothing about salvation, but speculation based on what death is. Death can be physical; death can be a state of out of fellowship with Christ. Awake thou that sleepest & rise from the dead & Christ will shine upon you. Or carnality can be called death: Rom 7: I was alive apart from the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. . . . I am carnal sold under sin. Paul says he was not doing what he wished to do, but sin in his flesh was getting the best of him. Then he affirms that Christ will deliver Him from this.
So speculating on which figurative meaning of death or physical meaning is meant, proves nothing about losing salvation. No such terminology is used.
So what is this, a paste from an internet site? Shall I paste some from eternal security sites?
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I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Apostolic, what I believe is the word of God. When I see a post that just goes on without proving from the Bible, it is generally not worth an answer, as it goes nowhere.
I posted scripture. Believe God's Word. I am not a prophet, what I generate is not God's Word.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
Not: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & thou shalt have a chance at salvation.
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kennethcadwell
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Matthew 28:20
" Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. " Amen.
This is part of the great commission that the Apostles were sent out and commanded to make disciples out of all the nations, and notice the second part that I put. We are to observe ( do ) all that He commanded.
List of things He told us to do.......
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind
Love your neighbor
Love your enemies
baptism
confession
repentance
produce good fruit ( works )
do not repay evil for evil
and the list go's on....................
" Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. " Amen.
This is part of the great commission that the Apostles were sent out and commanded to make disciples out of all the nations, and notice the second part that I put. We are to observe ( do ) all that He commanded.
List of things He told us to do.......
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind
Love your neighbor
Love your enemies
baptism
confession
repentance
produce good fruit ( works )
do not repay evil for evil
and the list go's on....................
I can see why you do not understand the whole plan of salvation. You have an incorrect concept of why God even created Adam. Adam was NOT created perfect. He was not created either immortal or mortal. Adam was created to have a relationship with God and in that relationship was to perfect himself as a human being, becoming the Likeness of God;s Image.
He lost that relationship which is why the story of Adam sinks the false theory of OSAS. We as believers are in the precise, exact same relationship with Christ/God. You are using the wrong terminology. Adam lost eternal life, and so will we if we do not remain faithful to Christ and work with HIm to perfect ourselves into His Likness.
You are in the very same position as Adam was, in a relationship with God. The difference is that we are born mortal with the proclivity to sin easily, which Adam did not possess. Otherwise all things are equal. Satan is still around seeking who he can devour.
no, he lost eternal life. He lost what you are trying to say that a beleiver is guarnateed and it was not ever guaranteed from the beginning.
Because He fell, lost life for all men, Christ needed first to save the world from death and sin so that God could again offer man union with Him, and if man works faithfully with God, will attain eternal life which was the original purpose of God creating man, and why Christ needed to save the world from the fall, namely death and the subsequent sin and from Satan as well.
Every human being is in Christ. Christ assumed our human nature, called the Incarnation, and by His resurrection raised our human natures to life. It is speaking of a physical eternal existence here. There is no man living that is in Adam any longer. It is why a believer is being saved through His life because He can now call all men to repentance and those that believe, remain faithful will attain eternal life.
Proof?
Is it not strange how Cassian thinks he can just pontificate? If wants to disgust Adam, he needs to prove things from scripture.
He lost that relationship which is why the story of Adam sinks the false theory of OSAS. We as believers are in the precise, exact same relationship with Christ/God.
OK Kenneth.
You left out, Ye shall be perfect, even as the Heavenly Father.
Now what will we do since we fail way short?
In many ways we all stumble.
You reckon there might be something in the scripture about He who does not work, but believes?
He Is Able to Do Abundantly Above All We Ask or Think - Eph 3
In fact He is able to do exceeding abundantly above all we ask or think.
One thing He know how to do is how to sustain faith and how to straighten out Christians when they sin. (And we all sin.)
For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.
We are secure in His mighty, omnipotent hands.
He is the author & perfector of our faith.
He caused Peter's faith to fail not.
He will do the same for any Christian.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
In fact He is able to do exceeding abundantly above all we ask or think.
One thing He know how to do is how to sustain faith and how to straighten out Christians when they sin. (And we all sin.)
For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.
We are secure in His mighty, omnipotent hands.
He is the author & perfector of our faith.
He caused Peter's faith to fail not.
He will do the same for any Christian.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
K
kennethcadwell
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That was not listed because that is part of the molding process we go through with the help of the Holy Spirit guiding us. We do not achieve true perfection tell after we have gone through the transformation. We do not become perfect immediately.
Notice the scripture you gave again....Ye shall be....once again future tense here.
It does not say you are perfect, it says ye shall be...
Notice the scripture you gave again....Ye shall be....once again future tense here.
It does not say you are perfect, it says ye shall be...
So, you want to talk about a direct statement in scripture about losing salvation? How about condemnation & damnation warnings to the church? Would that be good 'nuff fer ya? There are verses that state that christians can receive condemnation & damnation, which, BTW, is usually the same Greek word.
Salvation Is In 3 Tenses, including the past, pres, & fut
I will render thank-offerings unto thee.
For thou hast delivered my soul from death:
Hast thou not delivered my feet from falling,
That I may walk before God
In the light of the living?
Well, what if I fall?
Answer: "thou hast delivered my feet from falling."
He saves to the uttermost, seeing how he ever lives to make intercession.
The Much-More Salvation is in Rom 5:
hope putteth not to shame; because the love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us.
[Past] For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: for peradventure for the good man some one would even dare to die. But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[Present] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, [Past justification is a status in the present]
we shall be [Future] saved from the wrath of God through him. For if,
[Past] while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son,
much more, [Present] being reconciled,
[Future] we shall be saved by his life;
and not only so,
but we also [Present] rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom
[Present enjoyment of Past blessing] we have now received the reconciliation.
Eternal Security: It is not that maybe we may be saved from the wrath of God,
it is that we shall be saved from the wrath.
Guaranteed by God's promise.
Now will you have Him as your Savior,
or as your "chance-giver"?
I will render thank-offerings unto thee.
For thou hast delivered my soul from death:
Hast thou not delivered my feet from falling,
That I may walk before God
In the light of the living?
Well, what if I fall?
Answer: "thou hast delivered my feet from falling."
He saves to the uttermost, seeing how he ever lives to make intercession.
The Much-More Salvation is in Rom 5:
hope putteth not to shame; because the love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us.
[Past] For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: for peradventure for the good man some one would even dare to die. But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[Present] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, [Past justification is a status in the present]
we shall be [Future] saved from the wrath of God through him. For if,
[Past] while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son,
much more, [Present] being reconciled,
[Future] we shall be saved by his life;
and not only so,
but we also [Present] rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom
[Present enjoyment of Past blessing] we have now received the reconciliation.
Eternal Security: It is not that maybe we may be saved from the wrath of God,
it is that we shall be saved from the wrath.
Guaranteed by God's promise.
Now will you have Him as your Savior,
or as your "chance-giver"?
Wrong. You mean that the KJV mistranslates judgment as damnation?
There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus!
Praise the Lord.
You have no verse saying that a Christian goes to the Lake of Fire.
You have no verse that says a Christian loses faith.
You have no verse that says a Christian loses salvation.
What will you have? the Savior whose word says:
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins"?
Or do you insist on an imaginary "chance-giver"?
The shall is a future of imperative, Like "You shall not kill."Such commands are not predictions.
(If it were, we would have another verse on eternal security!)
The point is, what shall we do since we don't measure up?
Could it be that there is a Savior from sin?
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kennethcadwell
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They are commands of what to refrain from doing in the present and future after you have heard them. Just like Jesus said on the things to do for salvation.
Once again I will refer you to Matthew 25:31-46. This is a picture of those standing before the judgment throne, and once again notice believers and non-believers are here at the same time, not separate events. He tells those that did good works ( feed, give drink, and clothe poor ) to stand to his right, and those who did not do those good works stand to His left. Then the ones on the right got the reward of eternal salvation, the ones on the left were sent to hell fire.
Now look in this chapter to and notice how the believers were shocked that their works had anything to do with their salvation by their response as well, " when did we give you a drink, feed you, or clothe you. "
They did the works out of love, but had no ideal they mattered tell Jesus judged them by them and cast the others out for not doing them.
Once again I will refer you to Matthew 25:31-46. This is a picture of those standing before the judgment throne, and once again notice believers and non-believers are here at the same time, not separate events. He tells those that did good works ( feed, give drink, and clothe poor ) to stand to his right, and those who did not do those good works stand to His left. Then the ones on the right got the reward of eternal salvation, the ones on the left were sent to hell fire.
Now look in this chapter to and notice how the believers were shocked that their works had anything to do with their salvation by their response as well, " when did we give you a drink, feed you, or clothe you. "
They did the works out of love, but had no ideal they mattered tell Jesus judged them by them and cast the others out for not doing them.
The ES of the Psalmist: Safe to the Rock That Is Higher Than I
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
For thou hast been a refuge for me,
A strong tower from the enemy.
[SUB]I will dwell in thy tabernacle forever: [/SUB]
I will take refuge in the covert of thy wings. - Ps 61
This is like Ps 23: "I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever."
It is not, "I may dwell in Your Tabernacle forever" if I am a good boy,
or if I don't stop faithing.
Sing It!
Safe in the arms of Jesus,
Safe in His gentle care,
There by His love o'er shadowed,
Sweetly my soul shall fare.
Yea, the soul that rests in the Lord shall fare sumptuously.
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
For thou hast been a refuge for me,
A strong tower from the enemy.
[SUB]I will dwell in thy tabernacle forever: [/SUB]
I will take refuge in the covert of thy wings. - Ps 61
This is like Ps 23: "I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever."
It is not, "I may dwell in Your Tabernacle forever" if I am a good boy,
or if I don't stop faithing.
Sing It!
Safe in the arms of Jesus,
Safe in His gentle care,
There by His love o'er shadowed,
Sweetly my soul shall fare.
Yea, the soul that rests in the Lord shall fare sumptuously.
Let's see if King James has it wrong.
Romans 13:1-6 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [SUP]4 [/SUP]For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Romans 13:2 (NASB) [SUP]2 [/SUP]Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
Greek Strong's Number: 2917
Greek Word: κρίμα
Transliteration: krima
Phonetic Pronunciation:
kree'-mahRoot: from <G2919>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 3:942,469
Part of Speech: n n
Vine's Words: Condemn, Condemnation, Judgment, Sentence
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
judgment 13
damnation 7
condemnation 5
be condemned 1
go to law + <G2192> 1
avenge + <G2919> 1
[Total Count: 28]
from <G2919> (krino); a decision (the function or the effect, for or against [“crime”]) :- avenge, condemned, condemnation, damnation, + go to law, judgment.
Is that good 'nuff ?
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