It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

Re: Rom 2:7 Canard Nothing to Do with Eternal Security

That would imply that our free will is taken away once we get saved. That's not true either. Even the angels have free will. They chose to fall as satan did. They were in heaven, they didn't even need to be saved yet chose to fall. They had free will as we do also. God wants a people that willingly choose Him and continue to choose Him.

Sinnner, you are not quoting any Bible on free will. It is an error in methodology to assume a great rock in your system called FREE WILL. Then argue that thus and so must follow since there must be this FREE WILL.

On eternal security, believe what the Lord promise on the subject. Don't speculate on FREE WILL and then try to make some implication out of it.

Start at the getgo: Trust Christ with your eternal destiny. Repent of disbelieving that He will take care of you and your future.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

 

[Atwood]

Too late; I'm out of gas.
I wish all the best, even for those with whom the debate may have gotten bitter.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Re: Rom 2:7 Canard Nothing to Do with Eternal Security

That would imply that our free will is taken away once we get saved. That's not true either. Even the angels have free will. They chose to fall as satan did. They were in heaven, they didn't even need to be saved yet chose to fall. They had free will as we do also. God wants a people that willingly choose Him and continue to choose Him.

Actually, you never had free will to choose God apart from God in the first place. Adam was the only mere man who had free will before the fall. There is no scripture that teaches a man can choose God apart from God. Jesus even said, "no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him" (John 6:44). You know the reason why it has to happen like that? Several reasons, I will point one or more out. Apart from God you do not desire God at all, "There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks after God" (Rom 3:10-11). Obviously it's because of our sin to which we were enslaved by, "Jesus answered them saying, 'truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.'" (John 8:34). Haven't you read in Romans 8 that it says, "For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (5-8). Obviously as sinful man, we cannot come to God in our own since we are of the flesh that "set their minds on the things of the flesh". The act of regeneration comes from God the Spirit, only God can change your heart not any of us, "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances." (Ezekiel 36:25-27). Obviously we see this in John 3 when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about being "born again", "Jesus answered and said to him, 'truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." (vs.5). If we cannot see it, wouldn't that mean it's God's first move not us? That's what verse 8 states. Let's jump to 1 Corinthians 2:14, "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." Very true this scripture speaks, reading it in context gives you a bigger picture that man cannot understand God except through the Spirit (vs. 10). Read 1 Corinthians 2.

So...your free will is either in bondage to sin (John 8:34), or captured by grace (Ephesians 2:8-10). You do not stand on middle ground. Please read John 1:12-13 it's not up to us to be born but God! Read Romans 9:16-24, it is not our will but God's.

All verses taken from the NASB

 

[BenFTW]

I hold to the perspective of ESOTB, which differs from OSAS in a small degree. ESOTB means eternal security of the believer.

If a man can lose his salvation (oxymoron) he has no security at all. The truth is OSS = Once saved, saved (once you are saved, you are truly saved -- not just given a chance at it.



Where is it ever said that someone stops believing? Apostasy is a fact. Heb 6:9 says that the apostates never were saved. The apostates had characteristics of professed Christians, like Judas, but not the things that go with true salvation.

"But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak"

And 1 John 2 says that the departure (apostasy) proves that they were never part of the Body of Christ to begin with -- for if they had been, they would have stayed.

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us."

" OSAS holds the perspective that a believer can stop believing and depart from the faith (be an apostate) and still be eternally secure and saved."

I never ever heard such a thing. Eternal Security does not say that. I says that believers do not stop believing. The Lord Jesus prayed for Peter than his faith would not fail. Eternal Security implies that we are eternally saved and thus do not depart from the faith. The believer's nature has been changed permanently to child of God. His Old Man flesh hangs around until death, and the Christian can still sin and does sin. But the New Nature remains and cannot be destroyed.



It is incorrect because not taught in the Bible.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

I urge you to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal destiny; accept Him as Savior, not as one who gives you a chance to be saved.

Atwood, while I understand your desire to share a message of grace and of eternal security (to comfort fellow believers), you must also use grace in how you present it. Your last statement that I put in bold is insulting and disrespectful. You try and preach a message of no condemnation but condemn everyone (seen throughout this thread, by your implied "Accept Him as Savior"). Of my replies to this thread, I am most obviously a believer in the Gospel of Grace. Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I have assurance of my salvation, for many reasons including having the Seal of Redemption, that is the Holy Spirit.

I did some studying and have come to the conclusion that you presented that the apostates weren't actually believers but were "religious" if you will. They go through the motions but have never accepted Christ into their heart. As you pointed out, if they left they werent actually believers. Also, you held some hostility in your reply to me when I held an invitation to be corrected, hence why your last statement was so offensive. Remember when you correct others to do it with meekness(gentleness) and respect.

I urge you to reconsider the methods by which you preach eternal security, to not do it at the cost of others security. You tell them they are eternally secure and yet, tell them to accept Christ when they already have. You go one step forward and then take one back. Rather, you should bring them to the revelation of what they have in Christ and who they are in Him. They are in Christ already (as am I), but haven't been enlightened to the a deeper understanding of grace. For you to tell a BELIEVER to accept Christ as Savior is like the doctrine of re-baptism(to be baptized twice, to be under your pastor), it isn't scriptural. It happens once, and in the same way, they've already accepted Jesus. A lack of revelation in regards to eternal security does not cost one their salvation, but rather puts a yoke of bondage on a person who should rather feel free and at rest. You can break that bondage, but do not throw them into the pits of hell (condemning them) by insinuating they have not accepted the Lord as Savior.

 

[BenFTW]

I urge you to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal destiny; accept Him as Savior, not as one who gives you a chance to be saved.

Maybe I took this comment too harshly, but I think you understand the points I made. I apologize for responding so hastily and maybe a little harshly. I hope you understand what I was saying, and maybe you need to reword the way you present eternal security so that you don't make believers feel as if they must re-accept Christ. They are a part of the body of Christ, they have just yet to receive the revelation of that security. Its a good thing you're doing, but careful how you present it.

My trust is in Christ, He is my Savior, and I don't think it is in good taste the way you worded that last sentence. It can be taken wrong, as might be the case here. If I took your comment incorrectly, then my response was way off, and I apologize. Silly me. You may have just meant to accept Him as Savior and not "Potential Savior", if that was your intent, again you made an assumption of my beliefs. He IS my Savior, I am solely dependent upon Him for my salvation. I am secure in Him and the Lord's promises, including being sealed with the Spirit. I just think the implied meaning behind those words can be insulting, and indeed, I did receive as an insult. If this wasn't your intent, I apologize, but do consider how you present eternal security without questioning the salvation of others.

 

[homwardbound]

God did not charge Eve with sin, simply because God never told Eve not to eat of the tree. He told Adam and Adam told Eve. When Eve ate of the fruit,nothing happened. The sin was in Adam and not in Eve. That's why God promised the redeemer through the seed of Eve.

There is no evidence that Adam ever repented. Not until Seth's child was born doe's the bible say that men began to call on the name of the Lord. If Adam was not eternally secured. Then why would we think ours is? Paul continually say's "those that endure to the end". Then He puts the stamp on it that I might attain to the Resurrection. Here is an apostle of God saying that he hopes to attain. The man that God chose to lay the foundation of the church.

In essence this eternal security lie of a doctrine is telling folks it's okay to sin. Because they don't know how to deal with it. They are in the flesh and have moved their faith from the cross to tradition and find themselves failing God and came up with this idea of eternal security. when all that is needed is to return your faith to the cross.

Thank you for your view Brother and see what you say, the problem, being people taking this grace that does not change for granted, and Paul wrote 1 Cor. all about this, taking it for granted and them being carnal, and using God's grace for the excuse to sin, with no care for the neighbor.
Well Brother, I see that, I see it as well in legalism.
Brother are you or are you not in God, Had God confirmed you yet?
[h=3]Romans 8:16[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

If this has happened to you, you are ET, Eternally secure, from God's vantage point, not this worlds, Please get out of the earth suit, I know you beleive, I know you trust God, so what is it in your way other than the self nature?

Aree you growing up in this grace, I think so, you used to, and now you don't do that, you escaped this and that.
In yourself, how do you feel about , as an ex: stopped drinking?
Could one go back, is that possible? Yes it is possible
Same for God in belief, could one turn back? Yeah possible, will God turn back? No not possible

Are you getting it all God not possible for God to turn back, could want to, is angry,,and Jesus blood neutralized this anger, so that Father can and does deal with us as Children, teaching us truth from error, always there to teach us how to walk by Faith alone in the finished work of Son through the cross
And the deeper one sees this the deeper one responds to this, there are no actual works of self in response

There is quite a big difference in what ET is. Extra Terrestrial, remember the movie ET phone home
Was Christ's kingdom of this earth? So is Christ and ET, Eternally saved?
Did Christ have to come to earth and die for us? Or was Christ just playing, when his death cleansed the deck, so we can go to FATHER AS CLEANSED. For new life
Why can't we get it, and see it is all God and none of me, a fact any good works that are done or said are not by me,

Who did the work through Christ? Him or his Father? Whom is sent to us to lead? Will the Holy Spirit of truth tell you, you better or else?
That is not the Holy Spirit of truth, putting you, me or anyone under Law
Father and Christ are friends, not enemies.
I do not know what else to say, except thank Father you know what you are allowing, prayering you open up the hearts and minds of these souls for truth to be free and love as you love

 

[homwardbound]

In essence this eternal security lie of a doctrine is telling folks it's okay to sin. Because they don't know how to deal with it. They are in the flesh and have moved their faith from the cross to tradition and find themselves failing God and came up with this idea of eternal security. when all that is needed is to return your faith to the cross.

But Kerry is God Faithful? Will God cause his to stand? Yes there are those that deny ET, by works Brother as well
See the teeter totter
We as the people are up and down on this are we not?
One trying to outdo the other.
Where is God, in the center, no ups, no downs, so are you tired of this teeter totter. lay your weary head to rest, don't you cry no more
Go ahead rest right now in the arms of Christ in the center, no more ups and downs, no more controlled by this world and its fallacies
God from God's view, has Eternally Secured you

 

[homwardbound]

God did not charge Eve with sin, simply because God never told Eve not to eat of the tree. He told Adam and Adam told Eve. When Eve ate of the fruit,nothing happened. The sin was in Adam and not in Eve. That's why God promised the redeemer through the seed of Eve.

There is no evidence that Adam ever repented. Not until Seth's child was born doe's the bible say that men began to call on the name of the Lord. If Adam was not eternally secured. Then why would we think ours is? Paul continually say's "those that endure to the end". Then He puts the stamp on it that I might attain to the Resurrection. Here is an apostle of God saying that he hopes to attain. The man that God chose to lay the foundation of the church.

In essence this eternal security lie of a doctrine is telling folks it's okay to sin. Because they don't know how to deal with it. They are in the flesh and have moved their faith from the cross to tradition and find themselves failing God and came up with this idea of eternal security. when all that is needed is to return your faith to the cross.

Who job is it to work out our salvation?
Philippians 2:12 [ Do Everything Without Grumbling ] Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

So don't worry about what others do, and come to see the next verse after this one

Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

So Brother there's a man over there that needs truth, and we as the people go after him like flies to save him, when we need to see the whole truth before we go why?
Because just as in the day of Pentecost, they had to wait for God to live through them to tell the truth to truly be saved.
Who did the works of salvation that day on Pentecost? Man or God through those willing men?
We as people are so caught up in ourselves we think our ________________________ doesn't stink.
Sorry Mine stinks, and I give up daily and die to me daily ask daily for God to do the living through me. And everyday I hear and learn this, trust me (God) to give you the right words to speak, and when you do not and harm others apologize to them for not showing them you are mine. And only a vessel are you.
If it was more than that, I would not have had those disciples wait for me from on high? For they knew the truth, as we all here do as well, so why did they have to wait and why do we have to wait?
Does man muck up things, has man since Adam on? Why did they have to wait, when knew truth and Christ explained it all for forty days to them as the risen savior. Yet they had to wait. They had first hand knowledge of the truth, why wait

See those two Buzzards on the tree branch Patience my ___________ lets kill
And that is what this world of mankind is doing killing, killing, killing, over and over, sin, sin, sin, sin, sin sin

Instead of by Christ seeing this new life and entering, they are working at it, daily, not good enough. when by Christ we, today daily:
[h=3]Psalm 100:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Enter his gates with thanksgiving
and his courts with praise;
give thanks to him and praise his name.

 

[homwardbound]

Then what does this mean?

1 Timothy 1

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Kerry, regardless of God amazing salvation through Son Christ, there are those that deny ET from God to them, via by people as these spoken of hear in this verse
There are self-servers
Servers the serve others for self, and one does not know it, but these do know it

Then there are servers of God only
these examples of these type of people are self servers using God as their way of escape and to get what they want here on this earth, and they did not get it at this fellowship so they walked away

God was handing out brains ands they are what I call walk offs. They walked off without getting their brains restored to whole, only interested in self and those they love.
Many a Churches here on earth today this way, they are walk offs also,
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and loose his own Soul, a walk off from the full truth, and severs of themselves

Okay so if I need to be delivered to learn then let it be. And I ahve been through this deliverance, whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and am still willing to stand and stay the Faith, God knows and knows who is who, so I can rest and be, trusting God to love others through me, and if it is chastisement , then it is
Here is the Chastisement I know
"GOD JUST LOVES YOU ALL" The resurected Christ is proof,

 

[homwardbound]

I would like to know if OSAS is biblical why did the early church which was driven by the Apostles Peter and Paul did not from them to almost 500 years did not teach it. It taught the opposite. Calvin started the OSAS philosophy at that time. Also if OSAS is biblical why are there scriptures from Jesus and the Apostles that speak of having to persevere to the end, stand firm to the end, staying alert, and so forth so that nobody can cause you to loose that salvation. Not to mention the other scriptures that speak about those who have fallen away.

You can not fall away from something you are not apart of in the first place, so saying they were not truly saved to begin with does not work for some one who has fallen. Do to that would mean they were never part of the true church of Christ.

Is God Faithful to carry on any good work god starts? Will God ever leave you or forsake you? Evil men know how to give good gifts to their children, do you think God will give you snake over a piece of bread?
Salvation is not dependent on man, it it were no man would be saved ever, why?
Because we all are born her eon earth imperfect.
And God requires perfection. The first Adam could not be perfect and no man after Adam ever
God is the only perfect one ever, and he came to earth in Son through the Virgin Mary, and walked and talked with us, showing us us all our inability to ever be perfect of ourselves ever.
read Matt 19 about the rich man who obeyed all the Law of Moses from birth on, and knew he was not perfect and asked Christ what must I do to be perfect, knowing that is the only way to go to and be in Heaven
What did Christ tell this rich man? What did this rich man do?
What did the disciples ask as they watched this rich man walk away sad?

Did the disciples get the clue, by asking Chirst how is it possible for anyone to enter heaven, seeing all they had given up and were doing, they saw their own annihilation you think?

And Christ said with "MAN" "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE" and with Father, Christ's all things are possible.

What do you think Christ was talking about? It was before the cross right and under the Law and the Prophets right?
Could it have been the cross that hew was headed to, where God makes it possible, by the resurrected Christ for us to be made alive in Spirit and truth
Form man's view, ET not possible
God's view through the finished work of Son, possible if one does believe, and stays the course, full meal course, will be eventually confirmed by God and know it is all God and just love as God does in 1Cor 13:4-13
[h=3]Romans 8:16[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

Man's view no Eternal security
God's view through Son we have this, by God from God, and through God

All we need to do is respond, we are the creation not the creators

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with what you just said. My hope and faith is in the cross and because of that I trust that my eternity is secured by Him. That is not the focal point of my debate and perhaps we are looking at the same thing from different view points as that happens sometimes.

My debate is that a person can be saved and through temptation and prolonged sin and refusal to repent. That person can lose their salvation. I know that He will never leave me nor forsake me, But I can leave Him. If I so choose.

My other question is. What do you say to a person that loves God and goes to church every Sunday. Yet they are bound by alcohol and when they get drunk every night they reek havoc in their family and they are torn by it and hate it. But , they cannot stop. Would you say they were never saved?

I preach in prison's and rehab centers and have seen this day in and day out. Some are truly perplexed and have no idea what to do. They love God and hate what they are doing. What is the answer?

Kerry, brother may I, pray so and you might hear, I think you will hear, you have Spiritual ears

I know of a man that had this problem drinking, and beat his wife after the drinking went on. This man went to Church sought help, got counseling and would quit, things seem to go good for awhile, and you know he would go back to and start all over again and repent again and again, feeling guilty over and over as what you are seeing in these prisoners

With me Brother so far, are you ready?

Say you are that person as an example and I am your counselor, and we go back and forth, and we both know you are serious and perplexed as to why you continue on as many here in this world are perplexed and hate what they do and can't find the way out from under this heavy weight.

Things have gone good for awhile and one night i get a call from your wife and she says Howard, he is at it again. Come over please?
On my way perplexed as to what to say, talking to God and telling God I have done all I can do Lord, I know not of what else I can do.
So I arrive and we get to talk and guilt is written all over your face again. And out of nowhere comes
Kerry you beleive Christ, God right? Yes, you want to be like Christ, God right? Yes

So tell me Kerry which Christ do you believe in?

As your mouth pops wide open with a big WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is only one God, Christ is one

And I say, yes and I ask again which one do you beleive in, The one you are trying so hard to imitate?
Or the one that asks to live his life in and through you, you get out of the way?

This man stopped and has not gone back and has not harmed wife anymore, why?
Because he understood he can't imitate Christ, as we all want to, but can't
So thjat day he gave his whole life over to God, and he the self got out of the way

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with what you just said. My hope and faith is in the cross and because of that I trust that my eternity is secured by Him. That is not the focal point of my debate and perhaps we are looking at the same thing from different view points as that happens sometimes.

My debate is that a person can be saved and through temptation and prolonged sin and refusal to repent. That person can lose their salvation. I know that He will never leave me nor forsake me, But I can leave Him. If I so choose.

My other question is. What do you say to a person that loves God and goes to church every Sunday. Yet they are bound by alcohol and when they get drunk every night they reek havoc in their family and they are torn by it and hate it. But , they cannot stop. Would you say they were never saved?

I preach in prison's and rehab centers and have seen this day in and day out. Some are truly perplexed and have no idea what to do. They love God and hate what they are doing. What is the answer?

Now read eat. swallow and digest this
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. [SUP]18 [/SUP]On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, [SUP]20 [/SUP]for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Love you deep Brother

 

[homwardbound]

Well don't expect much when you pray if you believe you are not righteous
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Hallelujah! I don't expect anything. All but what God wants me to have "Father knows best" and I have the best I can ever have Eternal life, and am secure in his arms, thank you Jesus

[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

I am so sorry you apparently do not have eyes to see or hear waht I see and hear in god fabulous love to you and all
Too busy with your works. love you though
God is waiting and wants to turn your stress to rest, if you are willing and ask, I know God will Brother,
For nothing can separate us from his Love

 

[nl]

Jesus in Matthew 7 warns about many who would call him "Lord" to whom He will say: Depart from Me.

The Sermon on the Mount ends with a parable about the houses built on rock and sand. Some houses are once built on sand but will not persevere when the storm comes.

In Revelation 2-3, there are seven letters to seven churches or at least to the angel or messenger of seven churches. In each letter, there is a wonderful promise for those who overcome (and an implied warning to others). The rational implication is that some in those churches will not overcome and will not inherit those promises.

Yes, I believe that personal assurance of salvation is possible for ourself but not always for others. Personally, we have the inner witness of the Holy Spirit and other Scriptural grounds for assurance.

However, we don't know other people like God does. The Lord God only truly knows who is associated with Himself eternally.

‎Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire... Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:19,21)

But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” (2 Timothy 2:19)

To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)​

 

[Atwood]

OSS: Eternal Life, Eternal Redemption, Eternal Inheritance

OSS = Once Saved, Saved!
(The genius idea that if you are saved, you are in fact saved.)

Heb 9:11
But Christ having come a high priest of the good things to come, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation, nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption.

Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of a new covenant, that a death having taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they that have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

1 Pet 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The fanatastic proposition: If you are saved, why then you are saved.

 

[Atwood]

Perfection Forever is Eternal Security

For by one offering he has perfected forever them who are sanctified. - Heb 10:14

 

[Atwood]

The Saved Do Not Shrink Back

Heb 10:19

But we are not of them who shrink back unto perdition;
but of them who have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Two classes of professing Christians here exist:

1) Those who merely profess or came near being saved; they have not trusted the Lord Jesus with their eternal destiny. These (as 2 John indicates) may shrink back to perdition, if they don't go on to join category 2. The big danger of this is that getting the cow pox can immunize you from small pox. Such persons may believe that they are Christians. So if you tell them to trust Jesus as Savior, they are likely to brush it off, telling themselves they are already Christians and good church members.

2) Those who have faith to the saving of the soul. You are saved when you trust the Lord Jesus for your salvation, transformation, eternal life, eternal destiny. Category 2 does not shrink back. "We are not of them who shrink back."

 

[nl]

Some shrink back. Some profess faith in Jesus Christ but their lifestyle sends a different message. Many are delusional with delusions of heavenly grandeur. May I and we not be among them. Self-deceit happens. Wishful thinking happens.

Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire - Matt 7:19.

 

[Atwood]

Eternal Security in the Author & Perfecter of Christian Faith

If Christ Begins Your Faith, He Finishes It.

looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. - < Heb 12

Luke 22:31:


Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: but I made supplication for you,
that your faith fail not; and do you, when once you have turned again, establish your brethren.

Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Has the Father ever denied a petition by the Son on behalf of His sheep?
That is utterly impossible.

Obtuse Objector: Why 'tain't fair! That violated Peter's sacred free will! And while the Bible does not go on about man's free will much, I have postulated free will as the most important doctrine to which all the others got to knuckle under, including God's sovereignty.

But do what you will with your sacred doctrine of free will, the Bible many times indicates that God violates man's free will (The King's heart is in the hand of the Lord . . . He turns it withersoever He will, etc.)

Now figger it out as you may, scripture is clear: Christ is the author & the perfecter of our faith. He is quite capable of keeping our faith from failing. The idea that a man who once trusted Christ as Savior, then stops trusting Him as Savior for eternal life, is an idea not in the Bible. Why do folk go on injecting their own canards into scripture? Take Him at His Word. Once He begins a good work in the Christian, he brings it to completion.

It you do not trust the Lord Jesus completely as your only & sufficient Savior, and if you do not trust Him with your eternal destiny (no ifs ands or buts), call out now in Faith, and trust Him for eternal life; trust Him as Savior, not as "chance-giver" unless I quiver.

 

[Atwood]

The Gospel is an Offense

It is indeed an offense to point out to an usaved person that unsaved persons are not just
"Good people sometimes do bad things, once in a while they do" a la Mr Rogers. Do you know the song?

But it is offensive to the unsaved to tell them the true state of the unsaved, but we need to understand how desperate is man's condition and how he really has to have a Savior:

Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.


And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.


Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.