It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

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Atwood

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It does not matter how large you type that piece of quote... you must hear Christ he must know you and you must follow him in order to receive eternal life ...
In ref to John 10, you put the cart before the horse.
The passages says nothing about "to receive."
The sheep already have eternal life. They don't do anything like reciting 100 baas to get eternal life.
First one becomes a sheep.
Being saved as John tells us, is by believing in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus.
Once one is a sheep, then one will hear His word and follow.
Once one is a sheep one has eternal life and shall not perish.
Not ifs ands or buts.

Why do you wish to talk yourself out of eternal life?
Trust the Lord Jesus now for eternal life, salvation -- not a chance at it if you do this or that.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
 

homwardbound

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You say it bogus but I've seen it many times with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. People were taught your OSAS doctrine and are drunk and snorting coke and never praying or going to church but claim to be saved. Millions of people live life like this specifically cause they were taught OSAS. I have heard many profess it. I told them it was not true but they insisted just like you cause they did not want to change. Look at the fruit it produces.
Yes, as you hasve seen you judge the outside, how you doing? Are you prseaching Law or do you trust God to clean up the ones that beleive?
I once was an alcoholic, a druggie, a smoker and a woman chaser after _______________ yeah you know, even though never forced it on any woman. That is just the drinking scene, where one is all exicted in flesh and is not oput ot harm, but does and odes not see it.
Yet if one does believe, do you think that, God is going to just lieave them alone and not work in love and Mercy to them? It is the kindness of God to me that changed me from to, willingly, not forcefully as people do.
So to you and all
[h=3]Romans 2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Since I know I am forgiven and deserve to just be dead forever, and God in Mercy and grace chose to give us new life in the resurrected Son, Jesus Christ. I accepted the wedding invitation in love from God that is today by God recieved as in 1 Cor 13:4-13. This love is for you and can only be put in you by God. So beg for this Mercy and be dead to self righteousness, because in triyng we can't be perfect can we? Which shows why God came to earth in nHuman form to redeem us?
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
 

homwardbound

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I will just leave you all with this as I go....

Jesus said that those who believe in Him shall be saved, and also those who persevere to the end shall be saved.

When you put these two scriptures from our Lord and Savior together it shows that when you believe in Him you are saved, but then you must still persevere to the end to keep that salvation. Jesus Himself shows us, once saved always saved, is not of His teachings. There are even more scriptures from the Apostles about those that have fallen away. If once saved always saved is biblical there would be nobody who falls away, but the scriptures say there is those who do.
Brother when one is confirmed by God in Spirit and truth, what does one know in humility?
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

And a big yes it takes hard work if one doubts and needs to know to get to this rest God has for us all in God through Son
 

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Atwood, do you mean to tell me that I am 67 years old but yet I have never met a single individual in my entire life who was a true Christian for a while and then fell away. He slowly stopped going to church, and stopped taking part Christian activities surrounding that He then began to lose all interest in anything spiritual. It happens,
,it happens all the time.

Take a look at these Scriptures:
Gal. 5:4; II Tim. 4:1; Heb. 10:26-27; Heb. 6:4-6; II Pet. 2:20-21; Heb.. 3:12-14.

Please why they do not mean what they say they mean. Please respond to each one individually
All I can say is are you sure they were not just playing Church, seeking something or someone for their own gain and walked away when they did not get what they thought they might? Or are and were called away to be placed somewhere else to do waht god wants them to do, and not mankind, in what man wants, as in being cookie cutters, youm have tihs gfift and y=ou this and you that one, when has God ever gone on vacation and left any man in Charge? Does God have respect of people as if one iod better than the other, whether one believes or not?
We always judge the outside and only God knows the inside, I be a praying, please Lord show me truth over error, and not just see the outside of the cup clean or unclean. Show me, me the true me behind closed doors, so I might see to ask you for the new life in Spirit and truth and shed my skin of flesh, to see your Spirit of life and truth in you and you alone to walk as Son walked in depenedence on you. Teach me to discern truth over outside judgment errors of our flesh that judges the outside of what others appear to be, when many times they are not as appears as Rahab the Harlot, you think, thank you for your love and Mercy done for us through Son
 

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Why do you wish to talk yourself out of eternal life?
Trust the Lord Jesus now for eternal life, salvation -- not a chance at it if you do this or that.

Why don't you apply the same logic toward your healing or others?
If you tell others to trust Jesus for eternal life, why not trust Him for healing? If you know that those who come to Christ, He will in no wise cast out, why don't you know the same for His children's healing?
 

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You know what I have determined about this subject. That if your faith is properly placed in the work of the cross, then you are heaven bound and you don't have to worry about where your going. I meant, even if the devil trips you up or if you just get lackadaisical. Your still under His wing and the Spirit will convict, pull, and press.

I still believe that there are some who just give up and throw in the towel. God still loves them, he may be grieved and rest assured that we all have grieved Him at some point or another. They may come back as some have. I think it is difficult thing to do, because God is not going to just let you go. Most that give up live miserable lives and some even commit suicide.

But, if your faith is in the right place, Then the Holy Spirit is working in you and through you whether you are Pentecostal are not. That's a different subject. I have heard some baptist preachers who were just as anointed as some Pentecostals.

I can see where this eternal security doctrine stems from. I meant I hope mine is secured.

What happens to a lot of people is that their faith slowly begins to detour from the cross and become fixated on something they are doing. You can do this without even realizing it, because it is pleasing to the flesh. when we do this and maintain it for a period of time. The Holy Spirit takes a step back, because he cannot and will not honor self righteousness. This what Paul is talking about in Romans 7.

When He steps back, we are fighting the devil own our own and we can't handle him and the person becomes perplexed. They are doing things they know they shouldn't and don't want to but can't help it

We go to friends and they say well just keep praying. The Pastor say' well read more and pray more and we will keep laying hands and praying for you. But it doesn't work. So they give up.

This doctrine decides that they were never saved, because it interfere with the thought of eternal security. When the problem is the person has misplaced their faith by either being misguided or by deceit, because the flesh loves to be it's own God.
I tried to give you more rep, but said I can't for now, so you know Brother awesome post

All I can say is God will not ever leave them nor forsake them, as I know of a person recently that went astray for years and God brought them to the truth.
I know because as i was going down the road, I was told to go to an old place I worked at 14 years ago, and went as told. Only found one person, still there working there as was when I worked there. And when we saw each other we wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and this person said to me, that This person felt that God had just called me to all of a sudden show up, telling her to go ahead and get water Baptized knowing self to not be perfect. This person went and did this, and I witnessed it. All I can say is since God is for you, Satan can keep the grasp of doubt Satan has cast out on us,for God is Faithful to carry on the good work God started in you, from that very first day one really came to believe and God knows when that is, so it is not just saying I beleive, it is actually believing.
And this person has not read the word in the Bible. And knows the Love God has now imputed as in 1 Cor 13:4-13, knows it is done and is thankful daily as daily the enemy is always out to steal, kill and destroy, and only does this through one's emotions leading them as if their emotional feelings are truth, when they are not, many times. It is like the caboose on a train leading the train, ignorant yes? Time maybe to separate emotional feelings and what is really truth, you think, ask God to reveal this and God will
 

Atwood

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Galatians 4:19 says, 19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,


This is a very important passage, which is not about unsaved persons; these are Paul's little children; persons He led to the Lord who became born again. Yet in the Christian there are two morphēs. Morphē = form; but in contrast to schēma, morphē is not just outward form but reaches down in the essence. Salvation is about meta-morph-o-sis (Greek morphemes, in Latin morphemes = transFORMation.) The metamorphosis of the Christian is described in Rom 12:1-2 and 2 Cor 3:18. Be ye transformed. As Rom 13 puts it, Put on Christ. The metaphor is like putting on clothes. And there are 2 sets of clothes a Christian may wear: Old Man and Christ/New Man. The Christian is a doctor Jekyl and Mr. Hyde with two forms (morphēs).

Paul calls the Galatians to put on Christ in Gal 4:19. They have a problem with carnality, wearing the flesh, the Old Man. Gal 5 delineates the two kinds of behaviors: Walking by the Spirit vs Walking by the flesh (sarx). Both forces are at war in the Christian, with the flesh every making suggestions on behavior. The flesh lusts vs the Spirit & vice versa.

The imagery Paul uses here regarding a church which fallen away into Judaism and idolatry, a church in which he is fearful for (verse 11) and in wonder that he has labor in vain for, is interesting and making me rethink OSAS.
Do you have verses for idolatry? Nothing comes to my mind on that one. Indeed, in Galatia (Antioch of Pisidia, Lystra, Iconium, Derbe) there was an infiltration or attack by Judaizers. I believe it is described at the end of Acts 14 and led to a settlement of the problem at the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15, which I date right after the conflict at Galatia described in Galatians 2, where Paul rebuked Peter.

Paul mentions that he has to go labor again for the sake of making them Christ like, Christ "formed" in them. He equates this as giving birth again, a rebirth. I always thought that that once you have been born again, you couldn't be unborn.
Of course Paul uses graphic figure of speech. Compare Ephesians and Colossians were the Old Man is put off and the New Man put on. The persons he addresses are called presently "his children." Thus the problem is not that they are unsaved now after having been saved (oxymoron language). The problem is that they need to manifest their godly nature and be led by the Holy Spirit. It is Paul who is "in travail." That is not God in travail to bring forth new Christians. The new birth is from God, not from Paul.

Perhaps Paul doesn't agree with me here!? If they all were born once and could regress, then why would Paul be fearful for them, they are saved right? I'd be more fearful for those unsaved, the ones they are preaching to, that these Galatians would teach falsehood and make false converts..
In considering the subject of eternal security, one really needs to focus on the subject itself, verses that speak of eternal life and salvation, instead of taking verses which do not use those terms. It is like swatting a bunch of flies to respond to , "Well what about this, what about that?" And the passages say nothing about salvation or eternal life.

I can't imagine myself ever going back to me old way of life, it is unthinkable. The Love of God has taken hold of me, I can never give it up, even if I tried. In this respect I feel my salvation is secure.
The security of the believer is not predicated on me, myself, & I. It is predicated upon the power and promise of God. My security (I did a my!) is based upon the blood of the Lord Jesus, His substitutionary payment for all my sins.

Also in Galatians 5:4 Paul says that they (the Galatians) have been estranged from Christ. In order to be "estranged" (NKJV) from Christ, you had to be at once in Christ.
The text doesn't say they were once in Christ. One principle of interpretation is the analogy of the faith, no scripture is of any private interpretation; it must all be taken together, correlated, harmonized.

The NASB says they have been "severed" from Christ. The actual Greek word is Katargeo, which could mean "to render idle, inactive" or "to cease or cut off from." If they attempted to go back to law, they have fallen from grace. They must have had it at one time to fall from it. Does fallen from grace mean loss of Salvation? It doesn't say that.

"Christ became of no effect to you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh through love."

It is interesting how so many who want to deny eternal security do it on the grounds that salvation must be earned by good works, in effect justified by law. Yet that is a means to secure damnation. To take that approach after having been taught about grace, is to fall from grace as a method of salvation. The expression does not imply they were ever saved. The passage teaches how to live the Christian life for those who are saved, in Christ. It is faith, just as faith was the means of initial salvation. We trust the Lord Jesus (Gal 2:20ff). In the power of the Spirit then we expect righteousness to occur in our lives. The law does not avail for the Christian (in Christ), but faith does; and faith works through love. We trust the Lord Jesus, then the fruit of the Spirit results, chiefly love.


One meaning of the term you render "fallen" [from grace] is to drift or be blown off course and run aground, drift off course, run aground, a nautical term, used also in Acts 27.

I can see good arguments from both side being made regarding both of these passages.
The main point is that focusing on passages like this is not the way to affirm or deny eternal security. The passages to focus on are those that address the topics of salvation and eternal life in certain terms.

What is more important is that we agree that we all need to examine ourselves to make sure we are in the faith. The book of 1 John gives 4 test to KNOW if we are true children of God:
1) do you have the right theology of Christ. Jesus is the son of God and is God, God in the flesh.
2) do you obey His (Jesus') Commandments?
3) do you love your brother? are you willing to die for him?
4) does the Holy Spirit testify to your soul that you belong to God. do you feel the HS leading you?
1 John addresses abiding in Christ and can be viewed as an expansion of John 15. There is content on assurance of being saved. The existence of good works is a part of that assurance, which should not be overlooked. However, at the core, we hear God's promises on the subject and trust Him. As 1 John says, we may know that we have eternal life if we believe (trust) the Lord Jesus as our Savior. Trusting in our good works as a means of salvation (instead of the fruit of salvation) is a sign of being unsaved.

If you pass these four tests, all of them, not just one or two or three, then I would have to say you are a Child of God, and secure in Him.
There is but one test for eternal security: Do you trust the Lord Jesus and His substitutionary death on the cross as full payment for all your sins? If you trust in your good works, then you fall away from grace, and Christ will do you do good. If you are into gross sin as a life style, then you know you never trusted Him as Savior. One cannot be saved without being saved. Recognition of Christians by human beings is a different subject from eternal security, which is based on God's promises.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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homwardbound

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Also, I apologize for any somewhat rude or arrogant remarks I may have made earlier in this thread.
you are a child of the living God Brother, love your humility you are learning, hoping to see the same and be the same in all humility, so I can yell God's grace is sufficient for us all, in belief, and hve Mercy on all in response to God for having Mercy on us
2Cor 12:7-10, a lot said there about staying humble and being accountable
So be a doer and not a condemner as is what Law does to one's flesh, where one flesh and blood person does do and another doesn't and the attitudes of better than others is revealed as the other feels condemned by the other one that is a braggart
Anyway, I as Peter perceived God is no respecter of persons. Grace and truth has come to all
Today decide if you all beleive and stay steadfast in belief and ask to be taught by God and not mankind, yet hear man's words, but ask God for the truth in those words and trust God to separate errors from truth and walk by Faith in God to do the truth in love and Mercy from God you think?
Thank you Jesus for this amazing sacrifice that you did by free choice for us, trusting Father, thank you Father for sending Son to redeem us through Son.
 

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you ask for proof I gave you proof but you are skilled in deception so here it is again


James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?



  • James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If you obey God you will do right.
1 John 3:9-11
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God[SUP](A)[/SUP] will continue to sin,[SUP](B)[/SUP] because God’s seed[SUP](C)[/SUP] remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God[SUP](D)[/SUP] are and who the children of the devil[SUP](E)[/SUP] are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love[SUP](F)[/SUP] their brother and sister.[SUP](G)[/SUP]
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard[SUP](H)[/SUP] from the beginning:[SUP](I)[/SUP] We should love one another.[SUP](J)[/SUP]


1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Praying and hoping you both see truth here, I see you both fighting in the flesh to prove what you see as one is sitting in the arena far left and the other far right, both of you are seeing from a different view.
One so to say is saying I see Jesus wearing glasses and the other says they do not see this. You Know what, what each sees is truth to them, and another can't see what the other sees unless they get out of their seat and come over and sit next to you to see oh yes I see he is wearing glasses, and then you go over to the others side and say oh yes, over here you can't see that he is wearing glasses
We all see what we see whether truth to you or not, we just do not see what another sees until God reveals it to you. And oh yes we might get deceived and be earnest as Saul was, who killed believers, What happened? Are we do say where is my miracle or learn through Saul's in becoming Paul.
 

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Why don't you apply the same logic toward your healing or others?
If you tell others to trust Jesus for eternal life, why not trust Him for healing? If you know that those who come to Christ, He will in no wise cast out, why don't you know the same for His children's healing?
Greetings Know1, very clever screen name.
Thanks for reminding us that He will in no wise cast out.

I trust God not only for healing, but to freely give me all things:

He Who spared not His own son, but delivered Him up for us all,
How shall He not also with Him freely give us all things. (Rom 8).

However, we do not receive all of our blessings in this life.
We have to wait on the Lord.
The body decays with age. When you are 60, you will not run like you did when you were 20 years old. You will not go to a hospital, say "be healed" and run the hospital out of business, putting limbs back on amputees. Can one find someone with a missing leg and prove a theory of healing by causing a new leg to pop out?

That is not to deny that the Lord sometimes heals persons.
I am still working on having my youth renewed like the eagle!
In many cases, we have to accept thorns in the flesh and know that His strength is made perfect in weakness and that His grace is sufficient for me. We may have to take No for an answer.
 

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OSAS is one of the false teachings that one does not really need scripture to refute it. I has no reality. As you may have noticed also that sin is relativized and the nature of humanity is ignored. Not just the reality of our human existence, but the scriptural description of man's humanity.
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Only in spirit and truth, so plead to God for this born again leading of God through us maybe? and be led as Christ was in Spirit and truth. This is for us to walk as Christ right? And so did Christ do or say anything without Father's lead? Has Father not come to us as well in the power of the Holy Spirit? To teach us truth over error? So how are we to walk in flesh or Spirit of God? Do we then consider our flesh we are in; as dead or not by the same death of Christ at the cross? so that we might see what?
Phil 3:10-11 Rom. 6:11, maybe? God will reveal it to those in God's timing not ours, since we are originally born of the flesh, and it just does not want to die does it?
 

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Maybe you should review this. This is talking about salvation. When we accept Jesus Christ we are grafted in, when we turn around and deny Him we are cut off. If we boast....we can be cut off. The tree of Life is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is our salvation. [/FONT][/COLOR]
No it is not speaking about salvation. Quote verses that say "salvation" and "eternal life," instead of taking a passage on Abiding [in fellowship] with Christ. There is nothing about grafting in John 15. The grafting thing is in Rom 11 and concerns Israel vs gentiles as groups. There is nothing about persons losing salvation in either passage. You may see the tree or vine in Rom 11 as the sphere of blessing, not specifically Christ. In OT times, so far as I know, Israel is never said to the "in Christ."

I don't know any verse that says you get saved by "accepting Christ." If you have it, please post it.
There are many, many verses that tell us to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.

Yes, the Lord Jesus is our salvation and our eternal security.

I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
 

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Of course not, because truth come from Sola Cassiana! If Cassian saith it, why that proves it.

Well, Cassian, you made your pontification.

In contrast to your human ideas, the Word of God says that Christians are eternally secure. And it is important that you and I trust the Lord Jesus completely for our eternal destiny. There is no one else to trust, certainly not our ability to do God's will.

Even a redeemed Christian confesses that he has the Rom 7 experience at times:

I was alive apart from
the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; …
I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do. But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good. So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not. For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise. … to me who would do good, evil is present. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me …?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Do not forget,

I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish!


Dear Cassian, trust him for that right now!
Atwood do you not see how, unbelief takes effect by the commandment, yet grace does abound much more thanks to God
Sorry Brother; you do come across as commanding, and that is what brings out the flesh rebellion and blinds people as has been going on for centuries
Just saying Brother please go to God in prayer and ask God in this if this is true in you fighting in flesh attitude, and if you are at peace with this then continue and if not, God will tell you what you need to do, I can't being in unredeemed flesh that I reckon dead with God at the cross his death my death to self and I think you and all here know this truth, as God leads not mankind
 

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Are you blind? this is the response of Christ...[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Are you calling Christ a liar ....and if you would understand the parable you quoted ...if you want to be perfect give up your earthly possessions and follow him. He gave his life for us follow his pattern, you say you believe him why do you not obey all that he says? You just believe one verse with your mind. Go back to the parable of the good Samaritan and love your neighbour as yourself, so he commanded.
Matt 9
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Do you call the Lord a liar when he says,
I give to them eternal life and they shall never perish?

Do you call Him a liar when He says,
By grace you have been saved through faith . . . not of works?

Everlasting life is not given because of any works. Scripture is clear on it.
After a man is saved, he does do good works, which may include forsaking houses and family; and such a saved man does get everlasting life. But the cause of the everlasting life is Christ's substitutionary death and the man's faith in Christ, not the leaving of houses. Neither is there any causal expression in the scripture you quoted.

Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

So go and try to love God and your neighbor as yourself -- if you do that, you will live. But you will find that you fail and don't make it on that basis. For as the Lord says, With man salvation is impossible, but with God all things are impossible.

Trying to do the law should drive you in desperation to a Savior to trust.
 

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Personally, I think you're dodging questions you can't answer... or won't because they go against your preaching.
Think what you will; but I am not taking my time to look up verses for him. He can look up and post his own verses.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
 

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Galatians 5:4You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:3-5 (in Context) Galatians 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations


Maybe this scripture will soak in for you if you read it every night before bedtime.
I discussed this passage in detail a few minutes ago. You can find it if you look.

How about you reading this every night before bedtime:

"Christ became of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law"

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
 
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But Heb 11:6 does not say it is impossible for man to be faithful in his hearing and following Christ.
Yes you are right, yet not of self ever, why?
because self can't it is impossible for unredeemed flesh to be perfect, which you and I are in along with all the world, correct?
And so what did Christ do for us?
alatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

By this in thankful response what does one do, take advantage and steal, kill and destroy as Satan did, and tries to do? Or do we see freedom to love as God does? Your choice to carry on in your unredeemed flesh and continue to sin, since all sin is today condemned to the flesh as in Romans 8:3 states it is. or walk by the Spirit of God where new life is at in the resurrected Christ. there is no Condemnation in the Spirit of Father by Christ is there?
 

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LOL, how long does it take to look up a scripture? 10 seconds or less I would say. Besides, you should know them already.

By the way, this is no dog and pony show, it happens to be serious business. If you don't think the salvation of the soul is serious, then I can't help you.
OK, so look up your verses and post them in context. If you gave Gal 5:4, I discussed that in detail about a half hour ago.

There are some books that I have memorized one verse at a time or even one chapter at a time, and that in Greek -- but I don't retain it long as perfect memory. Often I won't know what a verse says just by giving me the reference number.
 

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Nothing in the context of Jn 10:27,28 says they will "never leave" or it is impossible for them to leave/quit hearing and following Christ. The hearing and following is done by choice and one can quit hearing and following by choice.
And you still do not see because of your doubt and the doubt of anyone causes and keeps one from rest God has for you and all.
So still if you are not at peace, which I perceive you are not at peace because you do not want to sin and still do, and hating it. Asking
God over and over again to take it away so you can walk righteously as Christ did, true or false?
True hang in there and trust that God will show the error(s) that are keeping you from what you want to do, that you can't do as in Romans 7
Thanking God showing me God has got you in his hand at is teaching you all, truth as you listen you will see and know truth, the truth that sets you free, where you will not be in fear anymore, when see this perfect love of God
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Being so busy with man work, keeps one from seeing the Spirit of God in Spirit and truth, you think, maybe Brother you decide, God will show you, since you do beleive God
 

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But the Jews were God's elect, His chosen people that became lost/cut off by God, Rom 11. How can that be if ES is true?
Because of unbelief, they sought it by their own works, even with mixed Faith it does not work, they did not have the Faith that produces the true love of God through them as Christ showed us so well in his walk here on earth. where Christ stated he did nothing of self or said nothing of self. he emptied self, showing to do the same, praying you see this? He never made himself the center, only said Father is the Center and now Christ has become the center by not wanting to be the center you think, what is up with that? is that humility or what?
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
God truly Brother does just love you, as Martin Luther stated He sees the light, and the enemy went to kill, steal and destroy him, and not necessarily the devil, man flesh, selfishness of mankind did this and killed him to shut him up as is what happened to my oldest Brother when I was 21 and he was 33, yet a little bit different situation. And convinced me with no doubt Jesus is real, beyond measure, I know Christ is real and alive to this very day and forever more
My Brother was;what many would call a legalistic, and oh boy he believed, no doubt. And when he knew God called him to come home, he told my oldest Sister, that God does just love him, and that he was sorry for being such a legalistic person, more to himself than others, but just was. He saw the light as Martin Luther saw this as well, and the freedom that overwhelms one is wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I now as well I see this light that can't be turned off, for nothing can separate us from God nothing, his love that is. And unless one accepts to want to see it will not see. And those that can't stand the troubles here, that we all get and walk away from belief, may have been on there way to see this light of God that will not ever turn off, but did not stay to see through to the fertile ground of this amazing Son for us.
So stay and go through whatever it is you might need to go through and suffer in the flesh if you must, just do not walk away, the same as Job did not walk away, please I pray for this is a matter of life and death