It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

Your perverted heretical illussion, does not save you, but makes you exactly to be destined for the terrible dissapointment in the day of final judgement.

You preching among others the salvtion without proper garments, while you youself know nothing how soul is to be reached salvation = through the alikeness to the Lord God here (during the life) by gathering His energies and His Spirit.

Only idiots could follow your teaching - that is direct way into the outer darkness.

Hobo,
The entrance of God's Word brings light. It is noted how you just said things without any Biblical proof at all.

"whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved"
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved."

What hinders you from calling out now for salvation in faith?

 

[faroukfarouk]

If you quote from John 8, the Woman Taken in Adultery story, you quote from an apocryphal story not part of the Bible, inserted into John (and elsewhere) in some manuscripts, not the oldest manuscripts.

The Lord demands perfection of us: "Ye shall be perfect." The demand is there, but we will not fulfill it in this life. At any moment it is possible for a Christian to not-sin, to have perfect behavior as he walks by the Spirit. But the Christian does not fulfill this over any great length of time (in many ways we all stumble).



Nonetheless, you will sin.



That message would be a lie. In many ways we all stumble. If we say that we have no Sin, we deceive ourselves. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Do you trust the Lord Jesus to get you to Heaven? If not, do so today.

If you look at Scofield's Study Bible notes, you will actually see that there this significant manuscript evidence for the John 7.53-8.11 passage.

 

[Deadtosin]

in some manuscripts, not the oldest manuscripts.-atwood

oh no, more codex vaticanus/ sinaiticus... the two most flawed parchments ever to pretend to be NT...

you do realize that your two "old manuscripts" not only disagree with thousands of other manuscripts but they don't even agree with each other right? they literally are each alone in the world.. and the Sinaiticus has been altered repeatedly.. via it's own website..

 

[Atwood]

admitting doe4snt free one from judgement
admitting doesnt make the sin ok
accepting one is a sinner doesn't make it ok.

Good morning MidniteWelder:

The issue is not making the sin ok, but the sinner ok -- better than than, clothed with the Righteousness of the Lord Jesus. If you want to know how really one is righteous, read Romans 5.

What frees from judgment and makes the sinner righteous is the blood of the Lord Jesus. It cleanses from all sin.

Progressing and preaching and following the example of Christ by preaching the message of go and sin no more once your eyes are opened to sin is NOT LEGALISM.

I think you are alluding to the apocryphal story in John 8 of the woman taken in adultery, which does not belong in the Bible. As long as you live, you will be subject to imperfection, thought the commandment is "Be ye perfect." In many ways we all stumble. Put up a sign saying, "Don't spit here," and see what happens.

You may preach the message of acceptance of sin if you wish
I will continue preaching the message of Christ of after repenting to go and sin no more.
If that is legalistic....you're more than welcome to bring Jesus before the stand and sue him for legalism.

Again, you seem refer to an apocryphal story. Of course we all face the imperative to be perfect and not to sin. But that imperative will not stop you from sinning. "When the commandment came, sin revived and I died" (Rom 7). I don't care how many times you have preached your message, you have then gone and sinned more -- then does that make you a hopeless hypocrite?

The first thing required is a new birth by trusting the Lord Jesus as Savior. Then it becomes possible not to sin. After that, one is required to Abide in (fellowship with) Christ and walk by the Spirit.

I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God Who loved me and gave His life for me. I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness is by the law, then Christ died for nothing.

 

[Atwood]

Why can't it mean, the same who holds fast and doesn't deny Him or accept the mark will be saved spiritually?

Dead:

The gospel is not "hold fast, don't deny Him, don't take the mark, then you will be saved." False gospel.

The gospel is

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.

No ifs, ands, or buts.

I urge you to trust Christ to get you to Heaven today. Throw yourself wholly on His grace, don't imagine that He only offers you the status of possible-salvation. He is the Savior. Trust Him fully now.

 

[dcontroversal]

To answer the OP...quite simply yes....My bible teaches me that WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IS ETERNAL...nothing added nor subtracted from it and he DID IT THIS WAY so men would FEAR him.....!

 

[Atwood]

If you look at Scofield's Study Bible notes, you will actually see that there this significant manuscript evidence for the John 7.53-8.11 passage.

Well farouk,

I have more than one Scofield Bible. But what I go by is the Greek manuscripts, of which I have copies, and textual apparatuses, which list the evidence for different readings. The John 8 passage is poorly supported and is theologically incorrect. To serve on a jury you don't have to be without sin, or there could never be any jury or judge or conviction of criminals. If the woman had done a crime, the issue would be whether there were sufficient witnesses, not the perfection (without sin status) of those who would throw the stones.

It is an apocryphal story inserted in more than one place in the NT.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm ripping apart the bible because I'm using it? I'm not the one who said put my body under subjection lest I be a castaway.

You attacked using the word "I" argue with the apostles, I'm done. TC

yes you are ripping it.

You making paul, Who said in eph 1 and 2 we are SECURE IN CHRIST BASED ON OUR FAITH IN HIM, and GIVEN THE HS AS A SEAL AND GUARANTEE, later contradict himself and say he is putting his body under subjection, or he will lose the very thing he said in eph 1 and 2 can not be lost.

your misinterpreting the passage.

i can make any passage of scripture say anything I want if I take it by itself. that does not mean my interpretation is right.

the word f god can not contradicts itself. if it does, it is useless. is that what you want a useless bible which contradicts itself?

 

[Deadtosin]

here are some photos of one of the "oldest manuscripts" Codex Sinaiticus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, EG, I don't wish to claim the name of LAWyer, but I will insert that this verse indicates that we are in hot water. We had best confess our guilt to our Attorney, then trust in our Attorney to handle our case in court. I know this Attorney who has never lost a case.


And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins;

amen, and I agree.. when do you think other people will figure this out? and stop saying their accidental sins are ok. and will just be forgiven by saying your sorry, and you will not do it again, when the law states if you break it, the penalty is death.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

Hobo,
The entrance of God's Word brings light. It is noted how you just said things without any Biblical proof at all.

"whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved"
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved."

What hinders you from calling out now for salvation in faith?

Why do you applying to yorself those certain verses????

Why do not you like to consider about yourselves the verses about false teachers and wolvs in ovine pelage????

Your poor and primitive teaching about false salvation is only illussion.

You neither have Holy Spirit nor true Blood and Flesh of Lord in your sacraments.

And whole your doctrine is falsefull.

And few among you who will not be cast into outer darkness will be happy, that they had not becomed your copies.

I am an orthodox - so I know what is true and genuin christianity is, and how terrible and bloody (martyrous) and full of inner lobour the way to the Kingdom of Lord is.

Leave your preaching for fuls. No truth and salvation in your doctrine. Neither you (preachers of false way to salvation) will get what you expected.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry if it appears I have presented a false accusation.
The above statement of we still have flesh and will still fail looks like acceptance of sin by nature of the statement.

so what your telling me is when John says if we say we have no sin (at any moment in our lives) we are liars, and their is no truth in us. he is looks like John is accepting sin? since when is agreeing with the apostle John and admitting I will fail accepting sin?

what is impossible with man is possible with God...do you believe this
yes or no

Yes, Does this negate what John says? Do you give 100 % of your life every day to God with no sin? Or do you fail (if you honestly knew how much you failed doing this on even your best day, you would be horrified as to the amount of sin in your life)

When Christ told people to go and sin no more do you believe he was asking something impossible of ourselves but possible through him
yes or no

he told them to go and CONTINUE in sin no more. (english flaw) This is different than him telling them to go and be sinless. He would be asking them to do something he knew was impossible.

Or do you believe we're destined to keep on sinning carrying out a self fulfilled prophecy through power of suggestion by being taught we are all sinners and fall short as if we are called to keep falling short though after tasting of the Glory of God
If the answer is yes to this last question....this is the reason for disagreements among us.
Presenting Excuses
I dont agree with excuses to sin.W

Neither do I. Saying I will fail from time to time is not excusing sin. It is agreeing with the apostle John.

 

[Atwood]

He who endures to the end, the same shall be saved.

This concept comes out of the Olivet Discourse, where as has been rightfully pointed out, the topic is the Great Tribulation of the future. If they endure, they will be saved into the Millennial Kingdom. As pointed out, the topic is not salvation to Heaven -- neither does it mean that you get a new birth after enduring. The New Birth precedes enduring.

Nevertheless, it is true that The man who trusts the Lord Jesus as Savior does endure to the end. And only those who endure are saved. All who are saved endure, and all who endure are saved. But He who never trusted Christ as Savior, has no issue with enduring, since that man never got started, never got born into the family of God. Now how can it be said that you endure, if you never got started?

Now how is it that some want to argue themselves into the Lake of Fire? They have this or that objection to trusting the Lord Jesus as only and sufficient Savior: Why if I actually trusted Him to get me to heaven, I would then sin shamelessly in my security, etc.

knowing that Christ is my Savior and suffered horribly to pay for all my sins has never made me want to sin. On the contrary, it fills me with a sense of gratitude to a wonderful Savior Whom I should never betray.

 

[Deadtosin]

"John says if we say we have no sin (at any moment in our lives) we are liars," Eternallygrateful

dude you add a lot of words to scripture.. That doesn't scare you at all?

 

[Apostol2013]

If you quote from John 8, the Woman Taken in Adultery story, you quote from an apocryphal story not part of the Bible, inserted into John (and elsewhere) in some manuscripts, not the oldest manuscripts.

The Lord demands perfection of us: "Ye shall be perfect." The demand is there, but we will not fulfill it in this life. At any moment it is possible for a Christian to not-sin, to have perfect behavior as he walks by the Spirit. But the Christian does not fulfill this over any great length of time (in many ways we all stumble).



Nonetheless, you will sin.



That message would be a lie. In many ways we all stumble. If we say that we have no Sin, we deceive ourselves. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Do you trust the Lord Jesus to get you to Heaven? If not, do so today.

In your response you have said it all you dont bellieve in the word of God so i leave you with a scripture that it may reproof you from your erred way

 

[Apostol2013]

7 For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit (o. pneuma) of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love (o. agape) of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit (o. pneuma) and belief of the truth:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your perverted heretical illussion, does not save you, but makes you exactly to be destined for the terrible dissapointment in the day of final judgement.

thanks for your concern. But this is just not true. My faith is in Christ alone. Not myself. Since I trust God and him alone. I have no fear of where I will be. I just wish yu could find this peace which surpasses all understanding Paul spoke of also.

You are preaching among others the salvtion without proper garments, while you youself know nothing how soul is to be reached salvation = through the alikeness to the Lord God here (during the life) by gathering His energies and His Spirit.

Only idiots could follow your teaching - that is direct way into the outer darkness.

only idiots huh? Well thats funny, Paul calls you the fool for trying to perfect your salvation in the flesh.

I think Paul holds far more weight than you do. I will trust him. Maybe one day you will??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To answer the OP...quite simply yes....My bible teaches me that WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IS ETERNAL...nothing added nor subtracted from it and he DID IT THIS WAY so men would FEAR him.....!

HEY DC! Long time no see my brother in Christ, hope you are well!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"John says if we say we have no sin (at any moment in our lives) we are liars," Eternallygrateful

dude you add a lot of words to scripture.. That doesn't scare you at all?

I quoted john.. where did I add. I placed the emphasis on the word as it should appear.

John spoke in present active tense. meaning any time we would ever say we have no sin, we are decieving ourselves..

dude you should study some origional languages sometime. the english language is flawed.

 

[Timeline]

Of course, we all know that everything that everyone doesn't agree with is heresy. Therefore, all things are heresy.

It is very Christian to call everything that you disagree with heresy.


Sarcasm, you know, like (1 Kings 18:27) [SUP]27 [/SUP]It came about at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, “Call out with a loud voice, for he is a god; either he is occupied or gone aside, or is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and needs to be awakened.”