For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation

  • You must keep the Sabbath to be Saved

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Keeping the Sabbath has no bearing on your Salvation or standing with God

    Votes: 17 53.1%

  • I can’t answer it here, it’s complicated……

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .
RuthHannah said:
What does this mean ? and what time period is this ?

does it apply to the gentiles ? Why or Why not ?


  • Ezekiel 44:7In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even myhouse, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
  • Ezekiel 44:9Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
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can't you look it up yourself?:)
 
JESUS WARNS US ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF PHARISEES "RELIGIOUS LEADERS" ==13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!MATTHEW 23:13-22
 
Your quotes are sound teaching from the Master. I do not know if your posting them is a veiled accusation that those who wish to obey the Father's will are teaching all the law or what, but any child knows to honor his father. All may learn much by observing children who are well behaved.

GISMYS said:
JESUS WARNS US ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF PHARISEES "RELIGIOUS LEADERS" ==13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!MATTHEW 23:13-22
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YES!!! JESUS HAS SOME CHOICE WORDS AND NAMES FOR THE PHARISEES "RELIGIOUS LEADERS" OF HIS TIME ON EARTH. WHO NOW WANTS TO BE A PHARISEE??
 
RuthHannah said:
What does this mean ? and what time period is this ?

does it apply to the gentiles ? Why or Why not ?
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RuthHannah said:
  • Ezekiel 44:7In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even myhouse, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
  • Ezekiel 44:9Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
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uncircumcision in flesh does not mean forskin of the male part


strangers are both male and females and it applies for us today
[h=3]Colossians 2:10-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;



 
RuthHannah said:
Dear Zone besides the heart being circumcised does the body have to be circumcisrd also ?
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This will answer your question

[h=3]Romans 12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present yourbodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
All sheep, are not that bright
none know where to walk
Jesus is the shepherd and if you look to Jesus and follow him, he will guide you with his eye
and none will be lost that love the shepherd and follow his voice.
 
Praus said:
Assuming Paul is the Hebrews author.


There's a few translations of the Peshitta, so I'm not sure which one you're talking about.

The good news is that Aramaic is a Syriac language and I'm a Syrian-American (my grandma even spoke a little Syriac Aramaic), so we'll get to the bottom of this very quickly.

Here is Heb 4:9 from the Peshitta (the Aramaic NT): please advise why the word "day" appears in the text. CC doesn't support left-to-right fonts, so it's in left-to-right format:

 ܪܚܶܡܬ݁ ܟ݁ܺܐܢܽܘܬ݂ܳܐ ܘܰܣܢܰܝܬ݁ ܥܰܘܠܳܐ ܡܶܛܽܠ ܗܳܢܳܐ ܡܰܫܚܳܟ݂ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܟ݂ ܡܶܫܚܳܐ ܕ݁ܚܰܕ݂ܽܘܬ݂ܳܐ ܝܰܬ݁ܺܝܪ ܡܶܢ ܚܰܒ݂ܪܰܝܟ݁


Original format Heb 4:9:

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The Analytical Lexicon of the Syriac New Testament defines the word in the Peshitta as rest. No mention of a sabbath, or sabbath day.

Denominative. Gloss: rest ( aphel ). Root: ܫܒܬܐ. Inflected form marked as Lexeme: ܫܒܬ. Index of Inflected Forms: ܫܒܬ.
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JaumeJ said:
God sees all who are in grace as perfect.............He did in David's time, and He still does. To say otherwise is a false teaching. He does not look at our sin. Do not change what is given to us free by our Father.

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[A Psalm] of David. Maschil. Happy is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is pardoned.

ב אַשְׁרֵי אָדָם--לֹא יַחְשֹׁב יְהוָה לוֹ עָו*ֹן; וְאֵין בְּרוּחוֹ רְמִיָּה. 2 Happy is the man unto whom the LORD counteth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

ג כִּי-הֶחֱרַשְׁתִּי, בָּלוּ עֲצָמָי-- בְּשַׁאֲגָתִי, כָּל-הַיּוֹם. 3 When I kept silence, my bones wore away through my groaning all the day long.

ד כִּי, יוֹמָם וָלַיְלָה-- תִּכְבַּד עָלַי, יָדֶךָ:

נֶהְפַּךְ לְשַׁדִּי-- בְּחַרְבֹנֵי קַיִץ סֶלָה. 4 For day and night Thy hand was heavy upon me; {N}

my sap was turned as in the droughts of summer. Selah

Although you have posted some information that seems to be spot on, your tunnel vision has proven to produce many accusations, of me and others, and I would truly appreciate your ceasing this practice. If you believe your views are perfect, find those who will follow you. Meanwhile I will do my best to share the Word as best given me to do.
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People disagree with my views and interpretation of scripture every day… that’s what’s supposed to happen on a bible discussion board. If you or anybody else says something that I think is an error I will point it out. What gives you the right to tell me I can’t challenge your views or anybody else’s views about God on a bible discussion board? The scriptures are supposed to be used to correct or if necessary reprove. If you can’t take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

And there’s nothing in those scriptures that you posted that say God sees you as being perfect. Because of this horrible teaching people are not getting anywhere near God and they wonder why their prayers are not being answered. I’m not going to keep this truth from people just because you’re too immature to accept criticism.
 
What it means to love God and To love your neighbour


th
 
zone said:
WomanLovesTX;
could you save me some time if possible, and point me to 'exegesis' from Passion For Truth (Two-House Theology) which explains why the Jerusalem Council did not record forever something like this:



"The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have tried to help you in your sanctification with words, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment, but it is not intended to subvert your souls, rather eventually you will be required to be circumcised.

But for now, it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.

Paul (or one of us) will teach you later about how to be circumcised and how to keep the sabbath.
Fare ye well.

and would you show me where those later instructions are found in the New Testament?


thanks - i'll watch for your reply.
zone.
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You have the above in quotes, but I did a search and find on the article - Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries and there is no quote as you have quoted.

I'll need for you to show me where you got that quote from before I can examine and respond to the article.

If these are your own words, shame on you.
 
What it means to love God and To love your neighbour


th



First four God and Man

last six Man to man neighbour to neighbour


Matthew 22:36-40


King James Version (KJV)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead are you there still hmmm law caught your tongue

Did Adam and Eve have laws before they became lawless ? Why or Wh not ?

Will we have laws in the perfect holy righteous kingdom of God ? Why or Why not ?

th


 
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