The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

[homwardbound]

To Zone, Who is turning me off from posting? I had to close off and come back, sign in to post.. Why? Now, to answer Zone, Please start believing the Whole Bible and stop changing God's clear message when it doesn't fit into you plans for God. This is very rude of you , and the Disp. s, to treat God this way. Please start being Honest with God, let God speak. Please be a "lady" and not a "tramp" with God's word. You are tramping all over the Word and brutizing it. The threads are all pulled out and the fabric of the Word is falling apart, You handle it to rough. Hoffco

Wow Hoffco, we all have had our issues with each other and not see what the other says or is trying to say.
please speak to yourself, hold yourself accountable, I am doing this, and trusting God to get me to stand and "I" can only do this daily by Faith and read what others write and go to the word and wait on God to reveal truth to me to set me free and just trust in Father through it all
I am seeing Zone as a sheep in wolves clothing, you as well, and you bark back as if you are not one yourself a sheep in wolves clothing.
I am just a sheep, not ever wanting to ever take for granted God's grace as in:
Hebrews 2:3

1. how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
   
   Who condemns?
   Romans 2:1
2. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
3. Romans 2:1-3 (in Context) Romans 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Romans 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
   Romans 5:15-17 (in Context) Romans 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
5. Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
   Romans 5:17-19 (in Context) Romans 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
6. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
   Romans 8:1-3 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
7. Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
   Romans 8:2-4 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
8. Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

 

[Hoffco]

I have seminary friends that believe like Zone and you homwardbound; But with friends like that ,who needs enemies. I got to see them once a yr, or less , now we are all moving around and growing old. and being in the Philippines for 6 yrs, now, I have not seen any of them for 6 yrs. It is very hard . old friends are dying, family are dying, I can not go to see them. But this is of my choosing. I have all eternity to see my Christian friends, then , they will all agree with me,LOL Sorry, but I have to agree with "me", no one else does.LOL. Thank you all for your patience with me. I know when we meet, we will instantly feel the love of Christ for each other. See you at the Rapture.

 

[Hoffco]

The word "seed" has different meanings in each context where it is used. It is used for the "elect"ones of all the world, "all in Christ are spiritual "seed" of Abraham." Jews are physical "seed" "you are the seed of Abraham, but you seek to kill me." They were not spiritual "seek" of Abraham. When we think of the "elect" church of Christ we are talking about all God's "elect" of all nations, of all ages, of all color, But, the "elect" are not associated with the physical nation of Israel or America. etc. We must contextualize all we read in the Bible. Hoffco

 

[overcomer2]

When Christ went to the cross, how many sins did he take with him?
How many are left for you?
How soon is any sin made forgiven?
Did he go to the cross for the continuance of us to try to not sin as was in the first Testament, where they had to sacrifice a sinless, perfect animal, shed its blood once a year to get cleansed?
I mean what would be the difference, of old and new. I mean once a year they had to get forgiveness, and that could never be done except through the sacrificial system set up by God, and without blood there is no remission.

We are forgiven past tense from God the Father back at the cross of Christ. There is no more sacrifice and or shedding of blood. It is done finished washed up and over.

Do you think that anyone that sins; will nullify the Father's gift of life in his Spirit? If it does then it is not a gift. Even any works of self does the same takes away the gift. Gifts are not earned or kept by works, that is flesh period if works are added of self.

there are two sides of the cross a before and an after. Which side are you on.

confession is good, but not for anymore forgiveness.

I have not ever claimed to not have sinned or that I will not in the future, I do not know the future, but I do know what is present, and "I" presently choose to be dead to self, co-crucified with Christ at the cross at his death with Christ in the flesh. Thus alive to God the Father in the Spirit of God rejoicing, praising and thanking Father for this amazing gift.

Can Father be served in the flesh?
what today is the only way Father can be served, worshipped?

You believe the KJV to be the full truth, the only pure truth so help you God right?
Okay is this verse true below:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So by Christ are you presented to Father as Holy or not?
Can you improve on this, by trying to do better, one only gets worse at sin, or if not then pride sets in.
I want neither for I know this scripture below as well and what it means , do you?
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

That is KJV and it says to just sow (think) on flesh guess what you reap sinful behavior and that reaps what?
You are so busy at trying to be righteous, you never will be, working in the energy of your own flesh when the Apostle Paul says:

Philippians 3:1-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [SUP]3[/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [SUP]9[/SUP]and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

I am seeing the doorway to Father through son are you it is through death to self and all self's righteous efforts, that can never be perfect. Starts at the death moves onto the resurrected Christ, given to you, and all that believe it is done by God the Father through the Son
I am a part of the fellowship of the unashamed, I will carry on daily in this trust, knowing God the Father love me and everyone else good or bad.
So sorry you are not seeing this yet, praying God shows you past the picket line of your own flesh deceiving you from crossing over
Love you deeper than you know, or why would God go to the death for us to give us new life in him, via the resurrected Christ where one can rest from their works as God has from his.

When I read your post I saw this sentence that reminded me of something the man of God over me explains so I wanted to share That when we are in Christ we are without sin, we are Holy, however, we recognize we sin. Maybe not everyday but as Paul said in regard to sin I am the chief. So, when we sin, we come outside the body. For if we were in the body while we sinned then we cause Christ to sin for he is in us and we are in him. We are one spirit
1 Corinthians 6:17-19
King James Version (KJV)[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
So this scripture tells us every, every single sin is done without the body.

So, when we sin we repent, and we have an advocate with the Father who will cleanse us from our unrighteousness that sin has caused. Then we enter the body(spiritually) again.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I just thought this might help.

 

[homwardbound]

I have seminary friends that believe like Zone and you homwardbound; But with friends like that ,who needs enemies. I got to see them once a yr, or less , now we are all moving around and growing old. and being in the Philippines for 6 yrs, now, I have not seen any of them for 6 yrs. It is very hard . old friends are dying, family are dying, I can not go to see them. But this is of my choosing. I have all eternity to see my Christian friends, then , they will all agree with me,LOL Sorry, but I have to agree with "me", no one else does.LOL. Thank you all for your patience with me. I know when we meet, we will instantly feel the love of Christ for each other. See you at the Rapture.

Yes with great thankfulness unto Father through Son, we can love each other in spite of differences, praying for you to at least see this, that God's Love is to all, not just a few.
Thank you for your patience back. that day coming is wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! ready willing and able

 

[homwardbound]

When I read your post I saw this sentence that reminded me of something the man of God over me explains so I wanted to share That when we are in Christ we are without sin, we are Holy, however, we recognize we sin. Maybe not everyday but as Paul said in regard to sin I am the chief. So, when we sin, we come outside the body. For if we were in the body while we sinned then we cause Christ to sin for he is in us and we are in him. We are one spirit
1 Corinthians 6:17-19
King James Version (KJV)[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
So this scripture tells us every, every single sin is done without the body.

So, when we sin we repent, and we have an advocate with the Father who will cleanse us from our unrighteousness that sin has caused. Then we enter the body(spiritually) again.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I just thought this might help.

Thanks Sister, and that is in and out of fellowship, what you just said.
It is like standing at a picket line of protesting
One side is the flesh, the other side is the Spirit of God
We are originally born of the flesh, the protester of God's sovereignty, God's Mercy, God's Grace.
Where as the Spirit of God in Heaven where we are called to is at. Gives us his Spirit freely through Son's finished work of the cross, and we take it, accept it, then try to improve on it, by trying not to sin, when trying not to sin brings sin and punishment or self righteousness, what profit have we?
Read Phil 3:1-11 about self-righteousness from Paul and put no confidence in flesh
We are not in and out of fellowship ever not from God the Father anyway his viewpoint through Son to us. God is not a liar, man is.
Col 1:22 especially but read through from verse 1
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

See praying God opens your spiritual eyes and ears To the truth and when crossed over the picket line of flesh and Spirit stay on the side of the Spirit of God trusting God in all things good or bad, there is much to be learned from the bad
We are not in a state of to be forgiven over and over, because through Christ we are forgiven. By this we are in a state of learning and being taught truth from error to walk as Christ walked. This is done by trusting God to show us truth over error
All in love to you and for both of our growths here and now in Father through Son Christ

 

[homwardbound]

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

All God and none of us, time to be thankful with praises to Father through Son maybe, yes?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Chosen if one is to be Biblically sound,then how is it that people take passages out of Revelation and give them DIFFERENT meanings then what is so clear by the OT prophets? How can you take the passages in Revelation and force to them to have a different meaning then what they had in the OT? IE

The prophets said this about Babylon

Jeremiah 51

23 How broken and shattered is the hammer of the whole earth! How desolate is Babylon among the nations!


Jeremiah 50
7 Babylon was a gold cup in the Lord’s hand; she made the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore they have now gone mad.

41 “How Sheshak will be captured, the boast of the whole earth seized! How desolate Babylon will be among the nations!

49 “Babylon must fall because of Israel’s slain, just as the slain in all the earth have fallen because of Babylon.

Habakkuk 1

6 I am raising up the Babylonians, that ruthless and impetuous people, who sweep across the whole earth to seize dwellings not their own.

Now when they said the whole earth did they mean North and South American,Asia,the Southern part of Africa and Australia or did it mean the whole earth from their viewpoint? And if it is NOT the entire globe in these passages then how can one force Revelation to mean the entire globe when that is NOT how it is used elsewhere in the Bible? Doesn't scripture explain scripture or not? And if so how do explain that the meaning of the whole earth has been CHANGED to a different definition?

Hello there Sarah,

absolutely, Scripture does explain Scripture.

Now let me see If I am understanding your question clearly, are you implying that somehow Babylon covers the territory of the whole earth??

First of all Sarah, let's see what the true Scriptures say. I will start with Habakkuk 1:6:


For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation,
which shall march through the breadth of the land,
to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs. - Habakkuk 1:6 (King James Bible)


Notice Sarah that the King James Holy Bible says that it is the Chaldeans that are raised up in Habakkuk 1:6 and NOT the Babylonians. Sarah, you must be using the NIV. I wonder why the NIV and NLT change "Chaldeans" to read as "Babylonians."


Let's look at the other verses:


Jeremiah 51:23-24

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock;
and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen;
and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers.
And I will render unto Babylon
and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea
all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the Lord.







7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord’s hand,
that made all the earth drunken:
the nations have drunken of her wine;
therefore the nations are mad.
8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed:
howl for her; take balm for her pain,
if so be she may be healed. - Jeremiah 51:7-8 (King James Bible)
How is Sheshach taken!
and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised!
how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations! - Jeremiah 51:41 (King James Bible)
49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall,
so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth. - Jeremiah 51:49 (King James Bible)
Now the question is who is Mystery Babylon??


Well to find out, we obviously need to first acknowledge the fact that while the word "Babylon" appears a total of 286 times in the Holy Scriptures, the very phrase "MYSTERY BABYLON" only appears one time in the entire King James Holy Bible. So let's take a look at the passage in Revelation where this very phrase occurs:




17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. - Revelation 17:1-11 (King James Bible)



Now notice how this woman who is seated upon the scarlet coloured beast is described. She is described as having committed fornication with the kings of the earth. Just consider this Sarah: who do the kings, presidents, chancellors, and the other leaders of the world go and visit to pay homage to?? Isn't it the pope?


If you are still not convinced Sarah that MYSTERY BABYLON is the Roman Catholic Church, then consider this next truth and fact. The woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet colour. What are the official colours of the Vatican and the Papacy???


Well Let's see:











Well Sarah, we have our answer.


But here is another description we can see about this woman who is seated upon the beast of Revelation 17, notice that she is drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

What religious cult has persecuted and killed Bible believing Christians down through the centuries??

It is the Roman Catholic church. The Papacy. Study Church History Sarah. And you'll see that this is the case. It is very clear that MYSTERY BABYLON is indeed the Roman Catholic church and Papacy.

Also notice Sarah that the woman in Revelation 17 is described as being decked with gold and precious stones and pearls. Do you have an idea of how much wealth the satanic Roman Catholic church and Vatican possess? It is said to be several billions of dollars.


Now getting back to your other comment Sarah, when you stated that:

how do explain that the meaning of the whole earth has been CHANGED to a different definition?

Again, are you implying that the Babylon in Revelation covers the whole earth?

 

[SarahM777]

Again, are you implying that the Babylon in Revelation covers the whole earth?

Nope you don't get what I am saying. The Old Testament verses say that BABYLON of that day caused the WHOLE EARTH to be drunk,all the slain of the earth etc. If whole earth in those prophecies were to they "known whole earth of that day" then HOW CAN YOU MAKE Babylon in Revelation to mean the ENTIRE GLOBE when scripture does NOT use the whole in that way in the OT?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

When Christ went to the cross, how many sins did he take with him?
How many are left for you?
How soon is any sin made forgiven?
Did he go to the cross for the continuance of us to try to not sin as was in the first Testament, where they had to sacrifice a sinless, perfect animal, shed its blood once a year to get cleansed?
I mean what would be the difference, of old and new. I mean once a year they had to get forgiveness, and that could never be done except through the sacrificial system set up by God, and without blood there is no remission.

I already told you Homwardbound that the purpose of confessing our daily sins and forsaking them is to remain in good fellowship with our Heavenly Father while down here on the Earth. Read the whole passage of 1 John 1. And you'll see that the context of the entire passage is FELLOWSHIP.


Also when Christ went to the Cross and gave Himself as a ransom, and shed His precious blood for our sins, He paid for all of our sins. Past, Present, and Future.


Again though, Homwardbound, we still need to confess and forsake our sins that we commit after salvation that way we stay in good fellowship with our Heavenly Father while still on the Earth.

We are forgiven past tense from God the Father back at the cross of Christ. There is no more sacrifice and or shedding of blood. It is done finished washed up and over.

Yes we are forgiven. But let me ask you Homwardbound, do you still sin today?

Do you still have trouble in your flesh like Paul had in his flesh after he was saved (Rom. 7)?


If you do still sin, which of course we all know (including yourself) that you still sin and come short of the glory of God. Therefore you need to confess and forsake those sins and then move forward.

Do you think that anyone that sins; will nullify the Father's gift of life in his Spirit? If it does then it is not a gift. Even any works of self does the same takes away the gift. Gifts are not earned or kept by works, that is flesh period if works are added of self.

No I do not believe that a Christian's sins will nullify God's free gift of Eternal Life. Do you know why Homwardbound? Because no true born again Christian can ever lose their salvation. Salvation is a free gift. And once a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise (Eph. 1:13) and is baptized into the Body of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-13), that person is saved forever. He cannot be "unborn again" and he cannot fall out of the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. For that person is now bone of Jesus' bones, and flesh of Jesus' flesh (Eph. 5:30).


Again though, a Christian still needs to judge himself daily and purge out sins that are still in his life to remain in good fellowship with his Heavenly Father while on this earth.


6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:8-10 (King James Bible)

there are two sides of the cross a before and an after. Which side are you on.

confession is good, but not for anymore forgiveness.

I have not ever claimed to not have sinned or that I will not in the future, I do not know the future, but I do know what is present, and "I" presently choose to be dead to self, co-crucified with Christ at the cross at his death with Christ in the flesh. Thus alive to God the Father in the Spirit of God rejoicing, praising and thanking Father for this amazing gift.

Can Father be served in the flesh?
what today is the only way Father can be served, worshipped?

Again Homwardbound, I told you already that the purpose of a Christian confessing his sins after salvation is simply to remain in good fellowship with his Heavenly Father while on Earth.

You believe the KJV to be the full truth, the only pure truth so help you God right?

Absolutely I do. The King James Holy Bible is God's pure, inerrant, infallible and perfect word. Amen.

Okay is this verse true below:

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So by Christ are you presented to Father as Holy or not?

Well let me answer your question with a question Homwardbound, have we been presented to our Heavenly Father yet???


Do understand that all our sins and transgressions and iniquities have been washed away by the precious blood of Jesus Christ (the Lamb). And therefore we have been redeemed and justified. We have the holiness and righteousness of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

Can you improve on this, by trying to do better, one only gets worse at sin, or if not then pride sets in.
I want neither for I know this scripture below as well and what it means , do you?
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

That is KJV and it says to just sow (think) on flesh guess what you reap sinful behavior and that reaps what?
You are so busy at trying to be righteous, you never will be, working in the energy of your own flesh when the Apostle Paul says:

Philippians 3:1-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [SUP]3[/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [SUP]9[/SUP]and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

I am seeing the doorway to Father through son are you it is through death to self and all self's righteous efforts, that can never be perfect. Starts at the death moves onto the resurrected Christ, given to you, and all that believe it is done by God the Father through the Son

Homwardbound, I am simply working to be more obedient to my Heavenly Father and His Holy word. I am not trusting in my own righteousness. I have placed my trust and faith in the righteousness of Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour. After all, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is going to get me to Heaven.


I think you got off point Homwardbound, the issue being discussed here was a Christian confessing his sins which he commits AFTER salvation. And the purpose of him confessing those sins to his Heavenly Father and then forsaking those sins and moving on and pressing toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Phil. 3:14).

I am a part of the fellowship of the unashamed, I will carry on daily in this trust, knowing God the Father love me and everyone else good or bad.
So sorry you are not seeing this yet, praying God shows you past the picket line of your own flesh deceiving you from crossing over
Love you deeper than you know, or why would God go to the death for us to give us new life in him, via the resurrected Christ where one can rest from their works as God has from his.

Well yes we are accepted in the beloved Homwardbound. And we are eternally secure. We are kept by the power of God (1 Pet. 1:5).


Again though, a Christian still needs to confess and forsake his sins in order to maintain good fellowship with his Heavenly Father while on this Earth. Again read and study 1 John.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Nope you don't get what I am saying. The Old Testament verses say that BABYLON of that day caused the WHOLE EARTH to be drunk,all the slain of the earth etc. If whole earth in those prophecies were to they "known whole earth of that day" then HOW CAN YOU MAKE Babylon in Revelation to mean the ENTIRE GLOBE when scripture does NOT use the whole in that way in the OT?

Well Sarah, we need to look at the context. Also understand that the roots of the pagan practices of Babylon go all the way back in the days of Jeremiah and the other prophets. This is evident by the fact that the children of Israel were baking cakes to the queen of heaven and offering drink offerings to the other pagan gods (See Jeremiah 7).


Now Sarah, I still do not exactly understand what point you are getting at. I see Babylon being described as a city and also as being the Papacy and the Roman Catholic church in the book of Revelation. And while Babylon may not be the whole earth, it still is said to have made all the nations of the earth to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication (Rev. 14:8). MYSTERY BABYLON is called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH in Rev. 17:5. So Babylon's wicked influence certainly does reach unto the whole earth.

 

[homwardbound]

I already told you Homwardbound that the purpose of confessing our daily sins and forsaking them is to remain in good fellowship with our Heavenly Father while down here on the Earth. Read the whole passage of 1 John 1. And you'll see that the context of the entire passage is FELLOWSHIP.


Also when Christ went to the Cross and gave Himself as a ransom, and shed His precious blood for our sins, He paid for all of our sins. Past, Present, and Future.


Again though, Homwardbound, we still need to confess and forsake our sins that we commit after salvation that way we stay in good fellowship with our Heavenly Father while still on the Earth.






Yes we are forgiven. But let me ask you Homwardbound, do you still sin today?

Do you still have trouble in your flesh like Paul had in his flesh after he was saved (Rom. 7)?


If you do still sin, which of course we all know (including yourself) that you still sin and come short of the glory of God. Therefore you need to confess and forsake those sins and then move forward.





No I do not believe that a Christian's sins will nullify God's free gift of Eternal Life. Do you know why Homwardbound? Because no true born again Christian can ever lose their salvation. Salvation is a free gift. And once a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise (Eph. 1:13) and is baptized into the Body of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-13), that person is saved forever. He cannot be "unborn again" and he cannot fall out of the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. For that person is now bone of Jesus' bones, and flesh of Jesus' flesh (Eph. 5:30).


Again though, a Christian still needs to judge himself daily and purge out sins that are still in his life to remain in good fellowship with his Heavenly Father while on this earth.


6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:8-10 (King James Bible)






Again Homwardbound, I told you already that the purpose of a Christian confessing his sins after salvation is simply to remain in good fellowship with his Heavenly Father while on Earth.







Absolutely I do. The King James Holy Bible is God's pure, inerrant, infallible and perfect word. Amen.





Well let me answer your question with a question Homwardbound, have we been presented to our Heavenly Father yet???


Do understand that all our sins and transgressions and iniquities have been washed away by the precious blood of Jesus Christ (the Lamb). And therefore we have been redeemed and justified. We have the holiness and righteousness of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.







Homwardbound, I am simply working to be more obedient to my Heavenly Father and His Holy word. I am not trusting in my own righteousness. I have placed my trust and faith in the righteousness of Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour. After all, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is going to get me to Heaven.


I think you got off point Homwardbound, the issue being discussed here was a Christian confessing his sins which he commits AFTER salvation. And the purpose of him confessing those sins to his Heavenly Father and then forsaking those sins and moving on and pressing toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Phil. 3:14).






Well yes we are accepted in the beloved Homwardbound. And we are eternally secure. We are kept by the power of God (1 Pet. 1:5).


Again though, a Christian still needs to confess and forsake his sins in order to maintain good fellowship with his Heavenly Father while on this Earth. Again read and study 1 John.

Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Any works Brother of the flesh whether be of the Law or not is not pleasing unto God.
For:
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

you are either forgiven or you or not. There is no two sides of the mouth worshipping with the lips and the heart being far from the Lord too busy trying to do what is right when no flesh can be right in the sight of God
So continue on creating sin in your life through not believing God and your own flesh self in the way, as I am not under the Law I believe, but if I sin I need more forgiveness
Ludicrous, to not believe God to have done this scripture below.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Is that true or not? Does anyone sin change that fact? It is what it is Brother done finished Christ did it for you. When are you going to transfer from death flesh to life Spirit
Paul says it many a times in scripture and especially to out no confidence in the flesh, and you are stating you are to do this, when that is what is keeping you in your sinful behavior
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Nowhere is there after the death of Christ anywhere stated to ask for anymore forgiveness after reception of the forgiveness provided at the cross
What you speak is a great will worship, but is not truth and your KJV says so, and you believe it is the final word from God to you, and there is no place set up for anymore forgiveness after the death of Christ
I am sorry and know you believe and want to serve God to the fullest, so maybe time to give up on sowing to the flesh and put no confidence in it at all. especially as an excuse to sin
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So please quit the manly ways of the flesh to ask for more forgiveness as if you are in the Old covenant without the animal and blood sacrifices
Out of one side of your mouth you agree we are forgiven then you say we need more if you sin.

you say we are forgiven I say Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Father fro Son, thank you Jesus.
And then I ask you where are you going? you say back to Jerusalem. I say what for? and you say to get your sins forgiven.
I say I say I thought you said they are forgiven by Christ, done? you say yes I did. And then I say again where are you going? you say again back to Jerusalem. I say again what for? You say again to get my sins forgiven. I say I thought you said my sins are forgiven

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Well Sarah, we need to look at the context. Also understand that the roots of the pagan practices of Babylon go all the way back in the days of Jeremiah and the other prophets. This is evident by the fact that the children of Israel were baking cakes to the queen of heaven and offering drink offerings to the other pagan gods (See Jeremiah 7).


Now Sarah, I still do not exactly understand what point you are getting at. I see Babylon being described as a city and also as being the Papacy and the Roman Catholic church in the book of Revelation. And while Babylon may not be the whole earth, it still is said to have made all the nations of the earth to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication (Rev. 14:8). MYSTERY BABYLON is called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH in Rev. 17:5. So Babylon's wicked influence certainly does reach unto the whole earth.

Chosen how can you be so blind??? The; MYSTERY BABYLON is called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS...... because she was at the time of these writings God's wife, which He, God, was fixing to have her Stoned to Death. Because She; the Mother of Harlots, that last generation of Old Covenant Israel was Whoring around with others while still using His, God's Name! And through Her lust and Pride rejected Her own SON, Messiah, Jesus!

This is why the term Mother of Harlots was chosen by the Holy Spirit.

So, you are the one who is taking God's Holy Scripture out of its proper context. Which is the prophetic time period of 30ad to 70ad, or the time of Jesus and the Early church. You've been taught to put no value in the Ending of One Covenant and the Beginning of another?? This has nothing to do with Rome or the Catholic Church?

The Earth many times in the Book of Revelation is speaking of the Covenant Land of Israel. Think back! The 7 day Covenant Creation in Adam! The Covenant Land of Israel! Not the Global Earth in the 21st Century!?

 

[The_highwayman]

Chosen how can you be so blind??? The; MYSTERY BABYLON is called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS...... because she was at the time of these writings God's wife, which He, God, was fixing to have her Stoned to Death. Because She; the Mother of Harlots, that last generation of Old Covenant Israel was Whoring around with others while still using His, God's Name! And through Her lust and Pride rejected Her own SON, Messiah, Jesus!

This is why the term Mother of Harlots was chosen by the Holy Spirit.

So, you are the one who is taking God's Holy Scripture out of its proper context. Which is the prophetic time period of 30ad to 70ad, or the time of Jesus and the Early church. You've been taught to put no value in the Ending of One Covenant and the Beginning of another?? This has nothing to do with Rome or the Catholic Church?

The Earth many times in the Book of Revelation is speaking of the Covenant Land of Israel. Think back! The 7 day Covenant Creation in Adam! The Covenant Land of Israel! Not the Global Earth in the 21st Century!?

Inquiring minds want to know, if you are truly a Prophet why do you advertise a title?
The Bible states the 5 fold ministry were ministry office gifts for the perfecting of the saints, the work of the ministry and for edifying the Body of Christ. This suggests to they are not titles....

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Inquiring minds want to know, if you are truly a Prophet why do you advertise a title?
The Bible states the 5 fold ministry were ministry office gifts for the perfecting of the saints, the work of the ministry and for edifying the Body of Christ. This suggests to they are not titles....

For inquiring minds, this is the name i go by on cc! This is not the Church but a chat room, but thanks for asking!

 

[The_highwayman]

For inquiring minds, this is the name i go by on cc! This is not the Church but a chat room, but thanks for asking!

fair enough and thank for the honest reply!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Chosen how can you be so blind??? The; MYSTERY BABYLON is called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS...... because she was at the time of these writings God's wife, which He, God, was fixing to have her Stoned to Death. Because She; the Mother of Harlots, that last generation of Old Covenant Israel was Whoring around with others while still using His, God's Name! And through Her lust and Pride rejected Her own SON, Messiah, Jesus!

How can you be so blind?

A harlot is a prostitute which causes the true bride to cheat. It is not Isreal.

We have two names.

1. Babylon. Babylon is the mother of paganism
2. Mother of harlots. The world system which tries to replace God.

Israel is non of these. and never has been

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

How can you be so blind?

A harlot is a prostitute which causes the true bride to cheat. It is not Isreal.

We have two names.

1. Babylon. Babylon is the mother of paganism
2. Mother of harlots. The world system which tries to replace God.

Israel is non of these. and never has been

I guess you've never read the Old Testament where God called Israel,
by His Prophets for her Adultery and Whoredom?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

By Faith is one saved, no works of self could ever do this.
Christ the way, the truth and the new life in him found in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit, where no flesh can interfere.
God just Love you

Who said that flesh could save? I know I didn't.

The issue you seem to continue to miss Homwardbound is the very fact that Christians still deal with the old man, old nature. And any Christian who is honest enough will admit to still having struggles in the flesh.


Even Paul the apostle did (Read Romans 7).


And if a Christian such as Paul still had trouble in his flesh, well I can guarantee you that there are many Christians who still sin and come short of the glory of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess you've never read the Old Testament where God called Israel,
by His Prophets for her Adultery and Whoredom?

I guess you never read the OT. where we see who literal babylon is. where she spread. and how Isreal was called out for commiting spiritual adultry with the gods of babylon. or the "mother of harlots"

next??

your supposed to be the church, If mother babylon comes and temps you to sleep with her Gods. then you will be playing the harlot.

this is what Israel did.