The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

[peacefulbeliever]

“THE CHURCH AGE AS A PARENTHESIS: One of the important questions raised by the amillenarians is whether the present age is predicted in the Old Testament. This they confidently affirm and find the kingdom promises fulfilled in the present church age. Premillenarians have not always given a clear answer to the amillennial position. While dispensationalists have regarded the present age as a parenthesis unexpected and without specific prediction in the Old Testament, some premillenarians have tended to strike a compromise interpretation in which part of the Old Testament predictions are fulfilled now and part in the future. In some cases they have conceded so much to the amillenarians that for all practical purposes they have surrendered premillennialism as well. It is the purpose of the present investigation to show the reasonableness and Scriptural support of the parenthesis concept.”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 227, 1983 AD

"Nothing could be plainer to one reading the O.T. than the foreview herein proved did NOT PREDICT a period of time between the two advents”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 228, 1983 AD

“The prophetic foreview of Daniel 2 in Nebuchadnezzar’s image and the fourth beast of Daniel 7:23-27 likewise ignores the present age. ”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 228, 1983 AD

“The ultimate proof of the teaching that the present age is a parenthesis is in the positive revelation concerning the church as the body of Christ, the study of which will be undertaken next. The evidence for a parenthesis in the present age interrupting God’s predicted program for Jew and Gentile as revealed in the Old Testament is extensive, however. The evidence if interpreted literally leads inevitably to the parenthesis doctrine. The kingdom predictions of the Old Testament do not conform to the pattern of this present age. … Those among the premillennial group who see clearly the issues involved would do well to divorce themselves from the amillennial method in dealing with the prophetic word, and interpret the prophecies of the Old Testament in relation to the millennium rather than the present age. ”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 230, 1983 AD

FANTASY
FOLLY
CHILDISH
NOT CHRISTIANITY

I don't know of the man you quoted but that is beside the point of my response. I am just tired of hearing that the Church, the body of Christ was not hidden - that it's fantasy, folly, childish, and not Christian.

What is a "mystery"? What is a "secret"?

1 Cor. 2:7,8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery (secret), the hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 3:3-6,9 How by revelation he made known unto me the mystery (secret); (as I wrote afore in few words, whereby, when ye read ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:25-27 Whereof I was made a minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fulfil the word of God; the mystery (secret) which hath been hid from ages and from generations BUT NOW IS MADE MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery (secret) among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you the hope of glory

This mystery is the new birth, salvation by grace through faith included the Gentiles but also to whosoever believes. This mystery, the new birth - Christ in you - was ordained by God before the world unto our glory, was not made known in other ages, has been hid in God from the beginning of the world, has been hid from ages and from generations is NOW MADE MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS. What and who makes up the 'church'? Those that have been born again - Christ dwells in them - they are the body of Christ - ALL of this was a mystery (secret).

 

[LT]

I don't know of the man you quoted but that is beside the point of my response. I am just tired of hearing that the Church, the body of Christ was not hidden - that it's fantasy, folly, childish, and not Christian.

What is a "mystery"? What is a "secret"?

1 Cor. 2:7,8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery (secret), the hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 3:3-6,9 How by revelation he made known unto me the mystery (secret); (as I wrote afore in few words, whereby, when ye read ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:25-27 Whereof I was made a minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fulfil the word of God; the mystery (secret) which hath been hid from ages and from generations BUT NOW IS MADE MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery (secret) among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you the hope of glory

This mystery is the new birth, salvation by grace through faith included the Gentiles but also to whosoever believes. This mystery, the new birth - Christ in you - was ordained by God before the world unto our glory, was not made known in other ages, has been hid in God from the beginning of the world, has been hid from ages and from generations is NOW MADE MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS. What and who makes up the 'church'? Those that have been born again - Christ dwells in them - they are the body of Christ - ALL of this was a mystery (secret).

the problem is when we take the phrase 'hidden' and take that to mean it wasn't there at all. The "Church Age" is very obviously prophesied about in the OT, but the Israelites didn't understand them, because they had not yet been revealed.
The Church Age was a hidden mystery, but it was hidden in plain sight.
The faith-based plan of salvation, the spiritual aspect of the Kingdom, Messiah's blood atonement, the engrafted Gentile branches.... all were a mystery until Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden??

What about them? Did they NEED saved?

Again, what about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden??

Again, Did they need saved? Your logic boggles the mind. They did not need saved. They did not need grace. Thus your question is invalid.

I am aware that Abraham was saved by Faith. Abraham was saved when he believed what God said. Abraham believed what God had told him.

15 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. - Genesis 15:1-6 (Holy Bible)




3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. - Romans 4:3 (Holy Bible)



6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. - Galatians 3:6 (Holy Bible)

Funny thing is. Adam (after the fall) Noah, and all other people who were saved pre cross was saved the same way. Thus I am not sure what your trying to argue here.

No EG, I teach that the Gospel for today (the Church Age) is the Gospel of the Death, Burial, and Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:1-6). And that it is by grace through faith only (Eph. 2:8-10, Roman 4:3-5, Titus 3:5).


I just understand that the Gospel which is preached in the time of Jacob's trouble will not be the same Gospel that is preached today in the Church Age.

And you would be in error. Because they will be saved the same way, As the same gospel which is taught by us is spread out by the 144000, and the two witnesses. and the ones who are saved by them.

There is no other gospel. never has been, never will be

If you are unsure about this truth EG, then I suggest you read and study Revelation 14.


Faith AND Works will be necessary for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble (Read James 2 and Matthew 25).

lol. I am completely sure of truth.

Works has never saved anyone. Never will. To say works will save is to say we can make up for the penalty of sin (which is death) by something other than death, and mocks and denys the perfect Cross. Which paid the penalty of death for all men.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

the problem is when we take the phrase 'hidden' and take that to mean it wasn't there at all. The "Church Age" is very obviously prophesied about in the OT, but the Israelites didn't understand them, because they had not yet been revealed.
The Church Age was a hidden mystery, but it was hidden in plain sight.
The faith-based plan of salvation, the spiritual aspect of the Kingdom, Messiah's blood atonement, the engrafted Gentile branches.... all were a mystery until Christ.

The word hid - apokrypto - to hide, concealing, keeping secret
from:
apo - 1. of separation; of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, ...of separation of a part from the whole; where of a whole some part is taken; of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed; of a state of separation, that is of distance; physical, of distance of place; temporal, of distance of time; of origin; of the place whence anything is, comes, befalls, is taken; of origin of a cause
krypto - to hide, conceal, to be hid, escape notice; metph. to conceal (that it may not become known)

yep, that's what I thought hidden/hid meant. No Problem! And if I keep a secret - I am the only one who knows - UNTIL I REVEAL IT; UNTIL I MAKE IT KNOWN it is hid in me - God had a secret and he hid it until the time he wanted to reveal it - so it was secret and it was hid!

 

[weakness]

1 John 2:18 Little children it is the last time:and you have heard anti christ shall come, even now there are many anti christs: where as we know that it is the last time. They went out from us ,but they were not of us, they would have no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all were not of us. But you have an unction from the Holy One and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because you know not the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

So then I know by Christ we are called not to sin again and if we do we have our advocate Jesus Christ the righteous. Is this an excuse to be able to get angry at our wives for not obeying, submitting to us in our time of need according to flesh. Are we to control our better halves, and if we can't do something other?
Or are we to endure ask
God how to get past the reprobate mindset of today? Can if we try in and of ourselves asking for God's help can we do it?
And if we do it overcome, how do we feel about it?
you see that the result in overcoming any sin as in how I react, tells me of whether it is of the flesh or of God, if I get proud and or boastful 2 cor 12:7 on as Paul reveals this to glory in our inability, then we will turn to God through Christ and God will do in us what we can't do in self, result all God and none of me outside of believing God

You should love your wife just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it (Eph. 5:25).

And men are to dwell with their wives according to knowledge, giving honour to her, as the weaker vessel ( 1 Peter 3:7).

And in order to do that, we need God's grace and help.

We need to abide in Jesus Christ, and yield to the Holy Spirit in our lives, that way we may bear much fruit (John 15:5,8).

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Thanks and what Peter said in Acts per what is translated is get water Baptized and RECIEVE the gift of the Holy Ghost, so again apparently Peter knew they already had the Holy Ghost and added well, get water Baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Hi there Homwardbound,

In Acts 2:38, for the Jews to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost, they had to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins (Acts 2:38).


Acts 2:38
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

so now Peter either said this or he did not and this is or was mistranslated from the inerrant translation in Greek. The original Greek being the only inerrant translation of new testament

The "original Greek" is not the only inerrant translation.


God's pure, perfect, and inerrant word is available today. And it is the Authorized King James Holy Bible

 

[Kerry]

OKay rightly dividing the word. Can we, with our intellect and education perform that act. If you will notice that Peter, when standing before the Sanhedrin, being full of the Holy Spirit, spoke as one that had studied the scriptures for many years. The were amazed, seeing that he was unlearned.

To rightly understand scripture, one needs the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. If not you come up with stuff that the gifts have ceased. you come with serpent seed doctrines. you come up with you must be baptised in water to be really saved.

If the Apostles needed the Holy Spirit to understand and teach. How much more do we need Him?

Honestly, do you think that you can understand the word of God with your own intellect?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

look this over really carefully Chosen.
you have some other gospel, and some other christ.

on ignore. done.

Zone, the Gospel preached in the time of Jacob's trouble will be different from the one which is preached today.


Again, when the Rapture happens. The Church Age ends. And Salvation is different in the time of Jacob's trouble, in that there is an element of works with faith for salvation (James 2, Rev. 12:17, 14:9-12).

 

[ChosenbyHim]

what can i say about this?
if it wasn't so serious (Rev 22) it would be hilarious.
Chosen exactly none (0) of that scenario is Biblical.
take out the gaps.

the gaps make a different gospel and different christ.
really. honestly.

The gap is the Church Age. It is the mystery of the One Body.


Salvation in the Church Age, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. It is faith in Jesus Christ.


Salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble is faith AND works (Rev. 14:9-12).


A Jew and a Gentile will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast, to be saved.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

OKay rightly dividing the word. Can we, with our intellect and education perform that act. If you will notice that Peter, when standing before the Sanhedrin, being full of the Holy Spirit, spoke as one that had studied the scriptures for many years. The were amazed, seeing that he was unlearned.

To rightly understand scripture, one needs the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. If not you come up with stuff that the gifts have ceased. you come with serpent seed doctrines. you come up with you must be baptised in water to be really saved.

If the Apostles needed the Holy Spirit to understand and teach. How much more do we need Him?

Honestly, do you think that you can understand the word of God with your own intellect?

Yes, I do. God has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him. He, himself tells us to study to show ourselves approved so something must come from our intellect with the guidance of the holy Spirit.

 

[Kerry]

You know I saw a thing on the tv. Maybe you can google it. But it was about missionaries carrying the gospel to peoples that had not heard. The amazing thing is that they accepted Jesus Christ, but when the preacher called them Christian they rejected that name and did not want to be associated with it. The preacher asked why? they said christians divorce their wives and kill their babies and we do not do that.

Rightly divide that.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

What does the word Church mean in Greek? Building
What does the word Ecclesia mean in Greek? Called out ones

Homwardbound, why not just study the context of the English Text of the Authorized Version?


The King James Bible is always right.


Here is a good article defending the reading of church in the Authorized Version.


Are the words "church" and "bishop" wrong?

 

[jahsoul]

Zone, the Gospel preached in the time of Jacob's trouble will be different from the one which is preached today.


Again, when the Rapture happens. The Church Age ends. And Salvation is different in the time of Jacob's trouble, in that there is an element of works with faith for salvation (James 2, Rev. 12:17, 14:9-12).

Where did you get that from? I don't know if you realize this but in this Christian walk, faith and works go hand and hand. That is the premise of James 2. Because we believe, we obey and do. Those 2 verses that you gave in Revelation has NOTHING to do with a new Gospel. That is the same Gospel that Jesus spoke. (John 14:23)

 

[jahsoul]

Where did you get that from? I don't know if you realize this but in this Christian walk, faith and works go hand and hand. That is the premise of James 2. Because we believe, we obey and do. Those 2 verses that you gave in Revelation has NOTHING to do with a new Gospel. That is the same Gospel that Jesus spoke. (John 14:23)

Actually, I meant hand IN hand...lol. *needs to proofread more*

 

[loveme1]

The gap is the Church Age. It is the mystery of the One Body.


Salvation in the Church Age, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. It is faith in Jesus Christ.


Salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble is faith AND works (Rev. 14:9-12).


A Jew and a Gentile will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast, to be saved.

1 Peter 1

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.10Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.17And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The Messiah commands much work of us in His Testimony.

There is one New Covenant.

Hebrews 8

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[SarahM777]

The gap is the Church Age. It is the mystery of the One Body.


Salvation in the Church Age, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. It is faith in Jesus Christ.


Salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble is faith AND works (Rev. 14:9-12).


A Jew and a Gentile will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast, to be saved.

UMMM Chosen,

Where does the Lord ever say salvation is by works? Obedience is always an outcome of faith. Works are the outward EVIDENCE that faith is alive and well. Jesus tells us "if you love Me you will obey and keep My commands".

Where do you think Paul was quoting from when he spoke of Abraham

Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

That is Genesis 15:6,but the context is taken from Genesis 12 where God told Abram to go and leave his homeland. Abram got and left because he believed God.

 

[homwardbound]

The two words are still at different meanings church is building not gathering,

 

[homwardbound]

You should love your wife just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it (Eph. 5:25).

And men are to dwell with their wives according to knowledge, giving honour to her, as the weaker vessel ( 1 Peter 3:7).

And in order to do that, we need God's grace and help.

We need to abide in Jesus Christ, and yield to the Holy Spirit in our lives, that way we may bear much fruit (John 15:5,8).

Done, received through finalizing the cross, believing God in what God did through Son, it is done, and God takes and took away the iniquity, and anytime I think I got it together I get a messenger of Satan to buffet me as Paul did in 2 Cor 12
believe, receive and see, that is it/ Rest now my children rest, and when it is time for you to do, I (GOD) will tell you, so as you are rat rest as my son is as well, just love all as I (God) have through Son
1 John 4:19 We love Him because He first loved us.
Romans 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Hebrews 2:17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

 

[homwardbound]

Hi there Homwardbound,

In Acts 2:38, for the Jews to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost, they had to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins (Acts 2:38).


Acts 2:38
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.





The "original Greek" is not the only inerrant translation.


God's pure, perfect, and inerrant word is available today. And it is the Authorized King James Holy Bible

Okay and what about later on in Acts where Peter preaches the word, rather God through Peter in the power of the Holy Ghost, Acts 10 and they receive the Holy Ghost new life, without water Baptism.
And Peter realizes this and states this in acts 11
[h=3]Acts 11:15-17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
So who are any one of us to stand in the way of God and require others to do this or that, nullifying the gift of God adding works to his grace through Christ?