The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

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ChosenbyHim

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One other thing LT, are you aware that there will be a Second Resurrection???


But check this out, I just looked for the term Second Resurrection, and it does not appear anywhere in the Holy Bible.


While the term "Second Resurrection" does not appear in the Holy Bible, a Second Resurrection is still taught and implied in the Holy Bible?


How?


Well if there is a First Resurrection, well then there must be a Second Resurrection.


And again, if the First Resurrection is only the Resurrection of Tribulation Saints (Rev. 20:4), well then what about the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Old Testament Saints with Him at Jerusalem ( Matt. 27:52-53) and the Resurrection at the Rapture ( 1 Thess. 4:16-18)?


I now ask you LT, How could those two resurrections just mentioned not be a part of the First Resurrection?


Jesus Christ is called the firstfruits of them that slept:


20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. - 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (King James Bible)



After reading this passage of Scripture, it should be very clear that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Matt. 27:52-53) was a part of the
First Resurrection
 

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You should note that, in the Bible, the Resurrection is always connected to the 2nd coming of Christ, and the rapture follows the Resurrection. There is no 3rd coming. There is no partial coming. The Bible says that Christ will return during the battle of Armageddon, and the dead will rise, and the Believers will caught up and changed.
There is no reason to change this clear, literal interpretation.


LT, Well then, what about the two resurrections (Matt. 27:52-53 & 1 Thess. 4:16-18) I mentioned in the previous post?


A Resurrection of the dead saints in Christ takes place at the Rapture (1 Thess. 4:16-18).


When did I ever say that there was a third coming?


Also, what do you mean when you say partial coming?


Christ Jesus will indeed come to this Earth at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th Week). But the Bible also clearly teaches that Jesus will first come for His saints in the clouds (John 10:1-6, 1 Thess. 4:16-18, Rev. 4:1-5).


The Rapture will definitely take place before Daniel's 70th week (Time of Jacob's trouble).
 

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Done that, what if I sin again, not to someone else, just have lust? What have I got to do anything please give specifics?



If you sin such as have lust in your heart toward a woman, or commit some other sin, well then what you need to do is repent of that sin, confess it to God the Father and forsake it.


Then just move forward in your walk with Christ the Lord. And continue to press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Phil. 3:14).



6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:6-10 (King James Bible)
 
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Is not being a believer a Christian? So are not these 144,000 believers?


Well Homwardbound, they are definitely believers. But you have to remember that there is a clear distinction between the Church and Israel. Especially in the time of Jacob's trouble. After all, we are talking about the Tribulation Period, the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week) here. The Church is gone. The Church has already been raptured (1 Thess. 4:16-18). And in the time of Jacob's trouble, God will be dealing directly with the Nation of Israel again.
 
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As you quoted below

So again, we see that today, the temple of God is the body of a born again Christian.


Now this is also a proof text to show the importance of right division of Scripture and also to show why Christians cannot be on the earth during the time of Jacob's trouble.

And here is how this is so. In the time of Jacob's trouble, the temple of God will be a physical building. It will be a physical temple located in Jerusalem:


The bible clearly shows that The saints will be on the earth at the time of Jacobs trouble

Daniel 12

King James Version (KJV)

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
 

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has Christ not made us perfect by his one time sacrifice and last shedding of Blood, forgiven and do not take this for granted and use this death as an excuse to do wrong


Of course Christ has made us perfect by His once and for all sacrifice.


9 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. - Hebrews 9:1-28 (King James Bible)
 

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so if i make a statement which may be incorrect and it is pointed out to me and i am given the opportunity as a human being to accept that i may make mistakes and do not acknowledge it then i have made the decision to continue to walk in darkness?
 

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The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

Note: A "dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs. Cp. oikonomos, "a steward," and oikonomeo, "to be a steward."

- Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Zone, I am already aware that a dispensation is not a period of time. And I also am aware that a lot of people out there teach that it somehow is a period of time, when of course that is not what the word means.


Here are some definitions of the word Dispensation from Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary:


1. Distribution; the act of dealing out to different persons or places; as the dispensation of water indifferently to all parts of the earth.


2. The dealing of God to his creatures; the distribution of good and evil, natural or moral, in the divine government.


3.
That which is dispensed or bestowed; a system of principles and rites enjoined; as the Mosaic dispensation; the gospel dispensation; including, the former the Levitical law and rites; the latter the scheme of redemption by Christ.


And here is another Definition of the word Dispensation ( "oikonomia"):


- The laws by, which a household is operated, or the way the master of a house arranges his household.
 
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LT, in the Scriptures there is clearly more than one resurrection, I mentioned them in the previous post to you (Matt. 27:52-53, 1 Thess. 4:16-17, and Rev. 20:4).

Also the phrase: "First Resurrection" only appears two times in the Authorized King James Bible. Now if it only refers to the resurrection of the tribulation martyrs (Rev. 20:4) as you imply, well then what about the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Old Testament saints with Him at Jerusalem (Matt. 27:52-53), and the resurrection at the Rapture (1 Thess. 4:16-18)?

Do you not think that those two resurrections (Matt. 27:52-53 & 1 Thess. 4:16-18) would be a part of the First Resurrection since all who partake in the First Resurrection are blessed and holy. ?

And also consider the fact that the Second Death has NO POWER at all over all who partake in the First Resurrection.

Just consider that LT.

LT, just deal with what the Scriptures teach. And consider the questions which I just asked you. Revelation 20:6 clearly teaches that all who partake in the First Resurrection are blessed and holy and that the Second Death (Lake of Fire) has NO POWER over them.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. - 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Bible)


It doesn't say the last trumpet. It says the last trump.

Firstly, Mat 27 has nothing to do with the 1st Resurrection. Just like Lazarus, the Bible does not say these men were given new glorified bodies. Do you think Lazarus died again? It is implied by Scripture that he did. It should be assumed that these men also lived for a time then died. (Hebrews 9:27 doesn't refute this, even though you will try to make it)

You say that you have proven the 1st Resurrection will be broken up into sections, but then don't show anything. How does Rev 20:4 prove a separate resurrection.
It shows me clearly that there will be one Resurrection at the end of the Tribulation that will gather all the saved dead, from the Old Testament times to the present. Those that were killed during the Tribulation are given a special place, as well as the others who were martyred: whether OT prophets or NT apostles or any of those who were killed for following God.

I see nothing that you have said proving a separation of that event. The only other resurrection is after the "1000 years" when the unsaved are resurrected and judged.

There are 2 resurrection. 2 events, undivided. One for the saved at the end of the Battle of Armageddon, and one for the unsaved at the end of the "1000 years".


Also, if you are defining "trump" to mean anything but "trumpet", you need to check yourself.
 
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Firstly, Mat 27 has nothing to do with the 1st Resurrection. Just like Lazarus, the Bible does not say these men were given new glorified bodies. Do you think Lazarus died again? It is implied by Scripture that he did. It should be assumed that these men also lived for a time then died. (Hebrews 9:27 doesn't refute this, even though you will try to make it)

It doesn't??? :confused:


When Jesus arose on the third day and the Old Testament Saints with Him, weren't they part of the Resurrection???


You say that you have proven the 1st Resurrection will be broken up into sections, but then don't show anything. How does Rev 20:4 prove a separate resurrection.

I did show you Scripture. Two places in the Scriptures where two different resurrections are mentioned. One Resurrection being that of the Lord Jesus Christ with Him bringing up the Old Testament Saints with Him (Matt. 27:52-53), and the other Resurrection mentioned in 1 Thess. 4:16-18 at the Rapture, where the dead in Christ are resurrected.


Revelation 20:6 in the context of the whole chapter teaches that all who partake in the First Resurrection are blessed and holy and that the Second Death (Lake of Fire) has NO POWER over them (Rev. 20:6).


It shows me clearly that there will be one Resurrection at the end of the Tribulation that will gather all the saved dead, from the Old Testament times to the present. Those that were killed during the Tribulation are given a special place, as well as the others who were martyred: whether OT prophets or NT apostles or any of those who were killed for following God.

Okay, but again, what about the Resurrection that took place in Matthew 27:52-53, somehow it seems that you keep overlooking that particular resurrection, why??



I see nothing that you have said proving a separation of that event. The only other resurrection is after the "1000 years" when the unsaved are resurrected and judged.

Well then you basically missed the point that was made. Go back and read Revelation 20, and after you read the whole chapter, then go back to verse 6 of Rev. 20 and read what it says again.


The resurrection after the 1,000 year Literal Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, is the Second Resurrection, and it is the resurrection of the Damned.



There are 2 resurrection. 2 events, undivided. One for the saved at the end of the Battle of Armageddon, and one for the unsaved at the end of the "1000 years".

Again LT, what about the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and those that slept (Matt. 27:52-53) back in Jerusalem???


And what about the Resurrection that will take place at the Rapture of the Dead in Christ (1 Thess. 4:16-18).


The resurrection at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Rev. 20:4) is not a resurrection of the dead in Christ, but it is a resurrection of the Tribulation Saints and Martyrs, and also for the Old Testament Saints to receive their Glorified bodies (Daniel 12:1-2).
 
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When did I ever say that there was a third coming?


when you state that Jesus is "coming in the clouds" that is a coming. If he came to earth to be born, that is one. Comes in the clouds to rapture His church, that is 2. Comes at end of Tribulation, that is 3. You implied 3 Comings of Christ.

Also, what do you mean when you say partial coming?


when you are going to try to say that the rapture is not a 2nd coming, you will have to say that it is not because Jesus never touched the ground.... therefore partial. I was several steps ahead of the conversation, sorry.

Christ Jesus will indeed come to this Earth at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th Week). But the Bible also clearly teaches that Jesus will first come for His saints in the clouds (John 10:1-6, 1 Thess. 4:16-18, Rev. 4:1-5).


If you associate the phase "coming in the clouds" to mean the Rapture, then you must ALWAYS interpret that phrase to mean the Rapture, not Judgement. Unfortunately for your interpretation, the "Son of Man coming in the clouds" is almost always is talking about Judgement.

The Rapture will definitely take place before Daniel's 70th week (Time of Jacob's trouble).
Scripture reference needed.
That is a very resolute statement, and you have not backed it up yet. You will need to prove that the 70th week hasn't already happened with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad. Also you will need to prove that the the Church cannot go through the Tribulation.
 
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TWO RESURRECTIONS

JOHN 5

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


[h=3]Daniel 12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Acts 24


15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

 

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Well Homwardbound, they are definitely believers. But you have to remember that there is a clear distinction between the Church and Israel. Especially in the time of Jacob's trouble. After all, we are talking about the Tribulation Period, the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week) here. The Church is gone. The Church has already been raptured (1 Thess. 4:16-18). And in the time of Jacob's trouble, God will be dealing directly with the Nation of Israel again.
there is no more nation of Israel for God.
there are individuals...who either accept the gospel or they do not.
 
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I did show you Scripture. Two places in the Scriptures where two different resurrections are mentioned. One Resurrection being that of the Lord Jesus Christ with Him bringing up the Old Testament Saints with Him (Matt. 27:52-53), and the other Resurrection mentioned in 1 Thess. 4:16-18 at the Rapture, where the dead in Christ are resurrected.

Again LT, what about the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and those that slept (Matt. 27:52-53) back in Jerusalem???


So you are saying that these men were caught up to heaven with Christ? Or did they live on earth and die again. If the second is the case, then they will be risen again when Christ returns.
You are claiming that these men have already received The Resurrection, and new incorruptible bodies, and are in already glorified with Christ in Heaven?

The resurrection at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Rev. 20:4) is not a resurrection of the dead in Christ, but it is a resurrection of the Tribulation Saints and Martyrs.
there is no separate Resurrection mentioned in Rev 20:4. There is a specific reward mention in Rev 20:4. The Tribulation saints and martyrs will be raised at the same time as all the rest of the saints and martyrs.
 

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there is no more nation of Israel for God.
there are individuals...who either accept the gospel or they do not.

In this Dispensation (Church Age), Jews do indeed have to accept and believe the Gospel for Salvation.


But in the Next Dispensation: Time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), God will be dealing with the Nation of Israel. Why do you think the next Dispensation is called the time of Jacob's trouble??



7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. - Jeremiah 30:7-11 (King James Bible)



Zone, who is the
he in verse 7 of Jeremiah 30?


It is Israel, God's people.


It is God's servant Jacob.


God mentions twice in that passage of Scripture
(Jeremiah 30:10-11) that He will save Israel (Jacob):



10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. - Jeremiah 30:10-11 (King James Bible)
 
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In this Dispensation (Church Age), Jews do indeed have to accept and believe the Gospel for Salvation.


But in the Next Dispensation: Time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), God will be dealing with the Nation of Israel. Why do you think the next Dispensation is called the time of Jacob's trouble??



7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. - Jeremiah 30:7-11 (King James Bible)



Zone, who is the
he in verse 7 of Jeremiah 30?


It is Israel, God's people.


It is God's servant Jacob.


God mentions twice in that passage of Scripture
(Jeremiah 30:10-11) that He will save Israel (Jacob):



10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. - Jeremiah 30:10-11 (King James Bible)
I've yet to find any hint of dispensationalism in any bible.
 

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Firstly, Mat 27 has nothing to do with the 1st Resurrection. Just like Lazarus, the Bible does not say these men were given new glorified bodies. Do you think Lazarus died again? It is implied by Scripture that he did. It should be assumed that these men also lived for a time then died. (Hebrews 9:27 doesn't refute this, even though you will try to make it)

You say that you have proven the 1st Resurrection will be broken up into sections, but then don't show anything. How does Rev 20:4 prove a separate resurrection.
It shows me clearly that there will be one Resurrection at the end of the Tribulation that will gather all the saved dead, from the Old Testament times to the present. Those that were killed during the Tribulation are given a special place, as well as the others who were martyred: whether OT prophets or NT apostles or any of those who were killed for following God.

I see nothing that you have said proving a separation of that event. The only other resurrection is after the "1000 years" when the unsaved are resurrected and judged.

There are 2 resurrection. 2 events, undivided. One for the saved at the end of the Battle of Armageddon, and one for the unsaved at the end of the "1000 years".


Also, if you are defining "trump" to mean anything but "trumpet", you need to check yourself.
you know after reading your 436 post i have to take my hat off to you,,,you to be a young man are very intelligent for your age. you must have set your heart to harvest the fruit of god as a very young boy,and not changed from the mind you made in your childhood. you are very polite,you are bothered that you might offend others and apologize if you feel even the slightest need.

not many old men have contemplated the people raised from the dead in scripture by,Elijah,Elisha,Christ,peter ect. as to the fact compared to the first Resurrection. you think one step ahead,,,,,this is good.

some believe that the man of sin is the beast that was and was not yet is,,,,now this same beast is wounded unto death. the two horned beast restores this and he then is again in the world. now this is done before the return of Christ and the first Resurrection. how is it that if he is a man he can be resurrected from being wounded unto death by the two horned beast, when we are told none of the dead can precede those who were beheaded for their testimony of Christ?

that is we know the man of sin will first be revealed,and then that day shall come(2thess.2;3-6),,,so this man of sin if he is the same as the beast,,,how can he precede those beheaded for their testimony in the first Resurrection? i do like that you think ahead so i give you the last debated issue in the matter.,,,,,,,continue in the lord Lt,,,
 
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I'm sorry EG. I made a generalization that is not true. I have actually made several unloving remarks during this thread, and I am sure that I have offended others. I went too far several times, and I hope you guys can overlook my attitude and forgive me.
Hi LT

This post brought me to tears.
 

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In this Dispensation (Church Age), Jews do indeed have to accept and believe the Gospel for Salvation.


never ending

But in the Next Dispensation: Time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), God will be dealing with the Nation of Israel. Why do you think the next Dispensation is called the time of Jacob's trouble??
you're the one who calls it the next dispensation and calling it future - why i don't know - since it is long over.

there's no more nation Israel for God...that's over...the are now just like everyone else - of the nations (uncircumcised) - Christ is Savior (heart circumcision) or forget it.

i thought about posting a thread on it - or posting here on it...but....nah.:)

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. - Jeremiah 30:7-11 (King James Bible)

Zone, who is the he in verse 7 of Jeremiah 30?

It is Israel, God's people.


It is God's servant Jacob.

God mentions twice in that passage of Scripture (Jeremiah 30:10-11) that He will save Israel (Jacob):

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. - Jeremiah 30:10-11 (King James Bible)
Isaiah 59:20
"The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins," declares the LORD.

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remnant....remnant....remnant....a thousand times....remnant....remnant....remnant.
even you can't make all Israel mean literally all Israel.

Zephaniah 3:13
The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will never tell lies or deceive one another. They will eat and sleep in safety, and no one will make them afraid."

Isaiah 1:9
Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Isaiah 10
20Now in that day the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. 21A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God.

etc....anyway....

Romans 9:29
Even as Isaiah says in an earlier place, "Were it not that the Lord, the God of Hosts, had left us some few descendants, we should have become like Sodom, and have come to resemble Gomorrah."

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