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I note that these promises were made to Abram personally, not to a nation.
That promise was fulfilled under Joshua in its full possession (Josh 21:43-45) and
under Solomon in its full occupation (1Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
The land promise to Abram's descendants has been fulfilled completely.
There is no Biblical warrant for a second fulfillment.
Christ Jesus is God. He doesn't "inherit" blessings.
He is the blessing of the Promise in Ge 12:3.
No so.
The national, physical aspects of Abraham's covenant, prophesied by Jeremiah in the restoration of Israel to their land, was fulfilled under Ezra and Nehemiah when they returned from Babylon, rebuilt the Temple and the walls of the city.
There is no Biblical warrant for another fulfillment of these prophecies, anymore than there is a Biblical warrant for another fulfillment of the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
That promise was fulfilled under Joshua in its full possession (Josh 21:43-45) and
under Solomon in its full occupation (1Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
The land promise to Abram's descendants has been fulfilled completely.
There is no Biblical warrant for a second fulfillment.
Christ Jesus is God. He doesn't "inherit" blessings.
He is the blessing of the Promise in Ge 12:3.
No so.
The national, physical aspects of Abraham's covenant, prophesied by Jeremiah in the restoration of Israel to their land, was fulfilled under Ezra and Nehemiah when they returned from Babylon, rebuilt the Temple and the walls of the city.
There is no Biblical warrant for another fulfillment of these prophecies, anymore than there is a Biblical warrant for another fulfillment of the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
Why make a thread singling out one race of flesh to support above other races of flesh ? That's showing respect of persons. That is not a Christian thing to do. James 2:1-4
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
B
You can shake your finger, but what makes you think that God wants peace in the Middle East? Since when does God want Ishmael's crowd serving with Isaac? Maybe that is what the world is after but Jesus said this in John 14:27 & Mt 10:34, Luke 12:51.
14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
wow....well. no big surprises here.
let's compare your gospel with The Lord's - through Paul:
....
Ephesians 2
One in Christ
11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
BradC2
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation..
....
i wonder which is the true Gospel.
i wonder which preaches peace?
oh dear. how embarrassing for you.
again, let's compare your notions with what the Scripture says on that matter:
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
do you think this is talking about Ishmael's crowd versus Isaac?
tsk tsk.
like.....ya....whatever.
i guess that peace of Christ was never offered to Israel ("isaac") (or Ishmael for that matter)..was it Red.
sigh. okay...i'll get the context for you. so you'll know (doubt it) that this was PRIMARILY and immediately about the division in Israel over JESUS.
Matthew 10
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles
5These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,b cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9Acquire no gold nor silver nor copper for your belts, 10no bag for your journey, nor two tunicsc nor sandals nor a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12As you enter the house, greet it. 13And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
Persecution Will Come
16“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. 17Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, 18and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. 19When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, 22and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
24“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servantd above his master. 25It is enough for the disciple to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they maligne those of his household.
Have No Fear
26“So have no fear of them, for nothing is covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27What I tell you in the dark, say in the light, and what you hear whispered, proclaim on the housetops. 28And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.f 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny?g And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows. 32So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, 33but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
Not Peace, but a Sword
34“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Luke 12
Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees
1In the meantime, when so many thousands of the people had gathered together that they were trampling one another, he began to say to his disciples first, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 3Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.
Have No Fear
4“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. 5But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell.a Yes, I tell you, fear him! 6Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies?b And not one of them is forgotten before God. 7Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.
Acknowledge Christ Before Men
8“And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God, 9but the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 11And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
John 7:43
Division of People over Jesus
42"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?" 43So a division occurred in the crowd because of Him. 44Some of them wanted to seize Him, but no one laid hands on Him.
John 7:41
Others said, "He is the Messiah." Still others asked, "How can the Messiah come from Galilee?
John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is the Prophet."
John 7:42
Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David's descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?"
John 7:44
Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.
John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, "This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath." But others asked, "How can a sinner perform such signs?" So they were divided.
John 10:19
The Jews who heard these words were again divided.
Luke 2:34
Then Simeon blessed them, and he said to Mary, the baby's mother, "This child is destined to cause many in Israel to fall, but he will be a joy to many others. He has been sent as a sign from God, but many will oppose him.
.....
uh....let's seeeeeeee
Deuteronomy 10:19
And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 23:7
Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.
Deuteronomy 10:18
He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.
Mark 12
Mark 12:33
To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Matthew 5:9
God blesses those who work for peace, for they will be called the children of God.
Romans 12
18If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.
NEED MORE?
John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."
let's compare your gospel with The Lord's - through Paul:
....
Ephesians 2
One in Christ
11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
BradC2
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation..
....
i wonder which is the true Gospel.
i wonder which preaches peace?
oh dear. how embarrassing for you.
again, let's compare your notions with what the Scripture says on that matter:
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
do you think this is talking about Ishmael's crowd versus Isaac?
tsk tsk.
like.....ya....whatever.
i guess that peace of Christ was never offered to Israel ("isaac") (or Ishmael for that matter)..was it Red.
sigh. okay...i'll get the context for you. so you'll know (doubt it) that this was PRIMARILY and immediately about the division in Israel over JESUS.
Matthew 10
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles
5These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,b cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9Acquire no gold nor silver nor copper for your belts, 10no bag for your journey, nor two tunicsc nor sandals nor a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12As you enter the house, greet it. 13And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
Persecution Will Come
16“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. 17Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, 18and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. 19When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, 22and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
24“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servantd above his master. 25It is enough for the disciple to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they maligne those of his household.
Have No Fear
26“So have no fear of them, for nothing is covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27What I tell you in the dark, say in the light, and what you hear whispered, proclaim on the housetops. 28And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.f 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny?g And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows. 32So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, 33but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
Not Peace, but a Sword
34“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Luke 12
Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees
1In the meantime, when so many thousands of the people had gathered together that they were trampling one another, he began to say to his disciples first, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 3Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.
Have No Fear
4“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. 5But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell.a Yes, I tell you, fear him! 6Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies?b And not one of them is forgotten before God. 7Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.
Acknowledge Christ Before Men
8“And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God, 9but the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 11And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
John 7:43
Division of People over Jesus
42"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?" 43So a division occurred in the crowd because of Him. 44Some of them wanted to seize Him, but no one laid hands on Him.
John 7:41
Others said, "He is the Messiah." Still others asked, "How can the Messiah come from Galilee?
John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is the Prophet."
John 7:42
Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David's descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?"
John 7:44
Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.
John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, "This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath." But others asked, "How can a sinner perform such signs?" So they were divided.
John 10:19
The Jews who heard these words were again divided.
Luke 2:34
Then Simeon blessed them, and he said to Mary, the baby's mother, "This child is destined to cause many in Israel to fall, but he will be a joy to many others. He has been sent as a sign from God, but many will oppose him.
.....
uh....let's seeeeeeee
Deuteronomy 10:19
And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 23:7
Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.
Deuteronomy 10:18
He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.
Mark 12
Mark 12:33
To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Matthew 5:9
God blesses those who work for peace, for they will be called the children of God.
Romans 12
18If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.
NEED MORE?
John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."
B
Zone, you have dealt or addressed none of this and I suppose you do not intend to either.
You can shake your finger, but what makes you think that God wants peace in the Middle East? Since when does God want Ishmael's crowd serving with Isaac? Maybe that is what the world is after but Jesus said this in John 14:27 & Mt 10:34, Luke 12:51.
14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
You will always refuse to see this about our Lord. God's favor will always be attacked and slandered by others, especially when it comes to any chosen people who are elect and precious. God's elect will always be despised and rejected because of God's goodness and the flesh that reacts to that goodness. This has never computed nor given any credence in your heart. It has nothing to do with us nor the church that Isaac was chosen by promise to Abraham and Ishmael was rejected being not the one given by promise. God loved Jacob and hated Esau who sold his birthright. These are not incidental or some unfortunate circumstance. They are what they are and God had made it abundantly clear. There will never be peace between Isaac and Ishmael for with Jacob and Esua. The elder will serve the younger and that will be hated and resisted no matter what you are I think of it. You don't like it, TOUGH, that is the way it is and God has made it so, just as God has provoked Israel to jealousy. Good day.
You can shake your finger, but what makes you think that God wants peace in the Middle East? Since when does God want Ishmael's crowd serving with Isaac? Maybe that is what the world is after but Jesus said this in John 14:27 & Mt 10:34, Luke 12:51.
14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
You will always refuse to see this about our Lord. God's favor will always be attacked and slandered by others, especially when it comes to any chosen people who are elect and precious. God's elect will always be despised and rejected because of God's goodness and the flesh that reacts to that goodness. This has never computed nor given any credence in your heart. It has nothing to do with us nor the church that Isaac was chosen by promise to Abraham and Ishmael was rejected being not the one given by promise. God loved Jacob and hated Esau who sold his birthright. These are not incidental or some unfortunate circumstance. They are what they are and God had made it abundantly clear. There will never be peace between Isaac and Ishmael for with Jacob and Esua. The elder will serve the younger and that will be hated and resisted no matter what you are I think of it. You don't like it, TOUGH, that is the way it is and God has made it so, just as God has provoked Israel to jealousy. Good day.
L
Amen Bro. Brad!
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
To conclude Romans 11...
Romans 11:33-36: Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?” “Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?” For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
Romans 11:33-36: Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?” “Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?” For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
link -> Hitler Was God's Chosen Hunter: Hunting Jews! Claims Crazy For God John Hagee! - YouTube
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
[video=youtube;bkU6KTjLTYU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkU6KTjLTYU[/video]
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
1 In 4 European Jews Afraid To Wear Kipa, Survey Shows | The Jewish Week
Fearful of anti-Semitism, 22% of European Jews hide identity | The Times of Israel
Like Cowards, Jews Hide Their Identity in Europe - Op-Eds - Israel National NewsStudy: One in four European Jews afraid to wear kippah
1 in 4 European Jews afraid to be identified as Jewish, survey shows | j. the Jewish news weekly of Northern California
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/30/opinion/international/in-hungary-anti-semitism-rises-again.html?_r=0
Articles: Blood-Libel Anti-Semitism in Hungary, Past and Present
The Medieval Anti-Semitic Views Of 150 Million Europeans: An Interview With Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld
Is Antisemitism Back in Europe? | The National Interest Blog
Proposed circumcision ban a ‘sign of anti-Semitism’ | JPost | Israel News
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
Belgium anti-Semitism reaches new heights - Heritage Florida Jewish News
Ambassador concerned over online anti-Semitism | The Canadian Jewish News
Irish journalist dons kippa for a day in Sweden to assess local anti-Semitism - Jewish World News Israel News | Haaretz
David Nirenberg's Anti-Judaism, Reviewed: Sordid Representation Jews | New Republic
100th anniversary of Europe’s last blood libel trial marked in Kiev | JPost | Israel News
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
Lapid: We Must Fight Anti-Semitism - Jewish World - News - Israel National News
Support your local Jew --Praus
--Pastor John Hagee
link -> Hitler Was God's Chosen Hunter: Hunting Jews! Claims Crazy For God John Hagee! - YouTube
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
[video=youtube;bkU6KTjLTYU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkU6KTjLTYU[/video]
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
1 In 4 European Jews Afraid To Wear Kipa, Survey Shows | The Jewish Week
Fearful of anti-Semitism, 22% of European Jews hide identity | The Times of Israel
Like Cowards, Jews Hide Their Identity in Europe - Op-Eds - Israel National NewsStudy: One in four European Jews afraid to wear kippah
1 in 4 European Jews afraid to be identified as Jewish, survey shows | j. the Jewish news weekly of Northern California
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/30/opinion/international/in-hungary-anti-semitism-rises-again.html?_r=0
Articles: Blood-Libel Anti-Semitism in Hungary, Past and Present
The Medieval Anti-Semitic Views Of 150 Million Europeans: An Interview With Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld
Is Antisemitism Back in Europe? | The National Interest Blog
Proposed circumcision ban a ‘sign of anti-Semitism’ | JPost | Israel News
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
J'accuse!
Belgium anti-Semitism reaches new heights - Heritage Florida Jewish News
Ambassador concerned over online anti-Semitism | The Canadian Jewish News
Irish journalist dons kippa for a day in Sweden to assess local anti-Semitism - Jewish World News Israel News | Haaretz
David Nirenberg's Anti-Judaism, Reviewed: Sordid Representation Jews | New Republic
100th anniversary of Europe’s last blood libel trial marked in Kiev | JPost | Israel News
"Then God sent a hunter, a hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
--Pastor John Hagee
Lapid: We Must Fight Anti-Semitism - Jewish World - News - Israel National News
Support your local Jew --Praus
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How is it that you stereotype all Jewish people as God hating and Christ hating people? There are plenteous Gentiles who are also God hating and Christ hating people. Take a look around you...
If you "Love the Lord" (who was a Jew in His humanity), what is the problem with your also "loving His brethren", the Jewish people? You certainly aren't "silent" about your antisemitic views and you seem to receive a lot of "support" on many "Christian" forum boards. So if you claim to "Love the Lord", have you applied 1 John 3:14-18 to your life?
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
If you "Love the Lord" (who was a Jew in His humanity), what is the problem with your also "loving His brethren", the Jewish people? You certainly aren't "silent" about your antisemitic views and you seem to receive a lot of "support" on many "Christian" forum boards. So if you claim to "Love the Lord", have you applied 1 John 3:14-18 to your life?
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
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The Foreign Ministry presents: talkbackers in the service of the State
By: Dora Kishinevski
Calcalist
5 July 2009
משרד החוץ מציג: טוקבקיסטים בשירות המדינה
Translated for Occupation Magazine by George Malent
After they became an inseparable part of the service provided by public-relations companies and advertising agencies, paid Internet talkbackers are being mobilized in the service in the service of the State. The Foreign Ministry is in the process of setting up a team of students and demobilized soldiers who will work around the clock writing pro-Israeli responses on Internet websites all over the world, and on services like Facebook, Twitter and Youtube. The Foreign Ministry’s department for the explanation of Israeli policy* is running the project, and it will be an integral part of it. The project is described in the government budget for 2009 as the “Internet fighting team” – a name that was given to it in order to distinguish it from the existing policy-explanation team, among other reasons, so that it can receive a separate budget. Even though the budget’s size has not yet been disclosed to the public, sources in the Foreign Ministry have told Calcalist that in will be about NIS 600 thousand in its first year, and it will be increased in the future. From the primary budget, about NIS 200 thousand will be invested in round-the-clock activity at the micro-blogging website Twitter, which was recently featured in the headlines for the services it provided to demonstrators during the recent disturbances in Iran.
“To all intents and purposes the Internet is a theatre in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and we must be active in that theatre, otherwise we will lose,” Elan Shturman, deputy director of the policy-explanation department in the Foreign Ministry, and who is directly responsible for setting up the project, says in an interview with Calcalist. “Our policy-explanation achievements on the Internet today are impressive in comparison to the resources that have been invested so far, but the other side is also investing resources on the Internet. There is an endless array of pro-Palestinian websites, with huge budgets, rich with information and video clips that everyone can download and post on their websites. They are flooding the Internet with content from the Hamas news agency. It is a well-oiled machine. Our objective is to penetrate into the world in which these discussions are taking place, where reports and videos are published – the blogs, the social networks, the news websites of all sizes. We will introduce a pro-Israeli voice into those places. What is now going on in Iran is the proof of the need for such an operational branch,” adds Shturman. “It’s not like a group of friends is going to bring down the government with Twitter messages, but it does help to expand the struggle to vast dimensions.”
The missions: “monitoring” and “fostering discussions”
The Foreign Ministry intends to recruit youths who speak at least one foreign language and who are studying communications, political science or law, or alternatively those whose military background is in units that deal with information analysis. “It is a youthful language”, explains Shturman. “Older people do not know how to write blogs, how to act there, what the accepted norms are. The basic conditions are a high capacity for expression in English – we also have French- and Swedish-speakers – and familiarity with the online milieu. We are looking for people who are already writing blogs and circulating in Facebook”.
Members of the new unit will work at the Ministry (“They will punch a card,” says Shturman) and enjoy the full technical support of Tahila, the government’s ISP, which is responsible for computer infrastructure and Internet services for government departments. “Their missions will be defined along the lines of the government policies that they will be required to defend on the Internet. It could be the situation in Gaza, the situation in the north or whatever is decided. We will determine which international audiences we want to reach through the Internet and the strategy we will use to reach them, and the workers will implement that on in the field. Of course they will not distribute official communiquיs; they will draft the conversations themselves. We will also activate an Internet-monitoring team – people who will follow blogs, the BBC website, the Arabic websites.”
According to Shturman the project will begin with a limited budget, but he has plans to expand the team and its missions: “the new centre will also be able to support Israel as an economic and commercial entity,” he says. “Alternative energy, for example, now interests the American public and Congress much more than the conflict in the Middle East. If through my team I can post in blogs dealing with alternative energy and push the names of Israeli companies there, I will strengthen Israel’s image as a developed state that contributes to the quality of the environment and to humanity, and along with that I may also manage to help an Israeli company get millions of dollars worth of contracts. The economic potential here is great, but for that we will require a large number of people. What is unique about the Internet is the fragmentation into different communities, every community deals with what interests it. To each of those communities you have to introduce material that is relevant to it.”
The inspiration: covert advertising on the Internet
The Foreign Ministry admits that the inspiration comes from none other than the much-reviled field of compensated commercial talkback: employees of companies and public-relations firms who post words of praise on the Internet for those who sent them there – the company that is their employer or their client. The professional responders normally identify themselves as chance readers of the article they are responding to or as “satisfied customers” of the company they are praising.
Will the responders who are hired for this also present themselves as “ordinary net-surfers”?
“Of course,” says Shturman. “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the policy-explanation department of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the Foreign Ministry developed.”
Test-firing in the Gaza War
According to Shturman, although it is only now that the project is receiving a budget and a special department in the Foreign Ministry, in practice the Ministry has been using its own responders since the last war in Gaza, when the Ministry recruited volunteer talkbackers. “During Operation Cast Lead we appealed to Jewish communities abroad and with their help we recruited a few thousand volunteers, who were joined by Israeli volunteers. We gave them background material and policy-explanation material, and we sent them to represent the Israeli point of view on news websites and in polls on the Internet,” says Shturman. “Our target audience then was the European Left, which was not friendly towards the policy of the government. For that reason we began to get involved in discussions on blogs in England, Spain and Germany, a very hostile environment.”
And how much change have you effected so far?
“It is hard to prove success in this kind of activity, but it is clear that we succeeded in bypassing the European television networks, which are very critical of Israel, and we have created direct dialogues with the public.”
What things have you done there exactly?
“For example, we sent someone to write in the website of a left-wing group in Spain. He wrote ‘it is not exactly as you say.’ Someone at the website replied to him, and we replied again, we gave arguments, pictures. Dialogue like that opens people’s eyes.”
Elon Gilad, a worker at the Foreign Ministry who coordinated the activities of the volunteer talkbackers during the war in Gaza and will coordinate the activities of the professional talkbackers in the new project, says that volunteering for talkback in defence of Israel started spontaneously: “Many times people contacted us and asked how they could help to explain Israeli policy. They mainly do it at times like the Gaza operation. People just asked for information, and afterwards we saw that the information was distributed all over the Internet. The Ministry of Absorption also started a project at that time, and they transferred to us hundreds of volunteers who speak foreign languages and who will help to spread the information. That project too mainly spreads information on the Internet.”
“You can’t win”
While most of the net-surfers were recruited through websites like giyus.org, which was officially activated by a Jewish lobby, in some cases is it was the Foreign Ministry that took the initiative to contact the surfers and asked them to post talkbacks sympathetic to the State and the government [of Israel] on the Internet and to help recruit volunteers. That’s how Michal Carmi, an active blogger and associate general manager at the high-tech placement company Tripletec, was recruited to the online policy-explanation team.
“During Operation Cast Lead the Foreign Ministry wrote to me and other bloggers and asked us to make our opinions known on the international stage as well,” Carmi tells Calcalist. “They sent us pages with ‘taking points’ and a great many video clips. I focussed my energies on Facebook, and here and there I wrote responses on blogs where words like ‘Holocaust’ and ‘murder’ were used in connection with Israel’s Gaza action. I had some very hard conversations there. Several times the Foreign Ministry also recommended that we access specific blogs and get involved in the discussions that were taking place there.”
And does it work? Does it have any effect?
“I am not sure that that strategy was correct. The Ministry did excellent work, they sent us a flood of accurate information, but it focussed on Israeli suffering and the threat of the missiles. But the view of the Europeans is one-dimensional. Israeli suffering does not seem relevant to them compared to Palestinian suffering.”
“You can never win in this struggle. All you can do is be there and express your position,” is how Gilad sums up the effectiveness so far, as well as his expectations of the operation when it begins to receive a government budget.
* “department for the explanation of Israeli policy” is a translation of only two words in the original Hebrew text: “mahleqet ha-hasbara” – literally, “the department of explanation”. Israeli readers require no elaboration. Henceforth in this article, “hasbara” will be translated as “policy-explanation”. It may also be translated as “public diplomacy” or “propaganda” – trans.
The Foreign Ministry presents: talkbackers in the service of the State
By: Dora Kishinevski
Calcalist
5 July 2009
משרד החוץ מציג: טוקבקיסטים בשירות המדינה
Translated for Occupation Magazine by George Malent
After they became an inseparable part of the service provided by public-relations companies and advertising agencies, paid Internet talkbackers are being mobilized in the service in the service of the State. The Foreign Ministry is in the process of setting up a team of students and demobilized soldiers who will work around the clock writing pro-Israeli responses on Internet websites all over the world, and on services like Facebook, Twitter and Youtube. The Foreign Ministry’s department for the explanation of Israeli policy* is running the project, and it will be an integral part of it. The project is described in the government budget for 2009 as the “Internet fighting team” – a name that was given to it in order to distinguish it from the existing policy-explanation team, among other reasons, so that it can receive a separate budget. Even though the budget’s size has not yet been disclosed to the public, sources in the Foreign Ministry have told Calcalist that in will be about NIS 600 thousand in its first year, and it will be increased in the future. From the primary budget, about NIS 200 thousand will be invested in round-the-clock activity at the micro-blogging website Twitter, which was recently featured in the headlines for the services it provided to demonstrators during the recent disturbances in Iran.
“To all intents and purposes the Internet is a theatre in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and we must be active in that theatre, otherwise we will lose,” Elan Shturman, deputy director of the policy-explanation department in the Foreign Ministry, and who is directly responsible for setting up the project, says in an interview with Calcalist. “Our policy-explanation achievements on the Internet today are impressive in comparison to the resources that have been invested so far, but the other side is also investing resources on the Internet. There is an endless array of pro-Palestinian websites, with huge budgets, rich with information and video clips that everyone can download and post on their websites. They are flooding the Internet with content from the Hamas news agency. It is a well-oiled machine. Our objective is to penetrate into the world in which these discussions are taking place, where reports and videos are published – the blogs, the social networks, the news websites of all sizes. We will introduce a pro-Israeli voice into those places. What is now going on in Iran is the proof of the need for such an operational branch,” adds Shturman. “It’s not like a group of friends is going to bring down the government with Twitter messages, but it does help to expand the struggle to vast dimensions.”
The missions: “monitoring” and “fostering discussions”
The Foreign Ministry intends to recruit youths who speak at least one foreign language and who are studying communications, political science or law, or alternatively those whose military background is in units that deal with information analysis. “It is a youthful language”, explains Shturman. “Older people do not know how to write blogs, how to act there, what the accepted norms are. The basic conditions are a high capacity for expression in English – we also have French- and Swedish-speakers – and familiarity with the online milieu. We are looking for people who are already writing blogs and circulating in Facebook”.
Members of the new unit will work at the Ministry (“They will punch a card,” says Shturman) and enjoy the full technical support of Tahila, the government’s ISP, which is responsible for computer infrastructure and Internet services for government departments. “Their missions will be defined along the lines of the government policies that they will be required to defend on the Internet. It could be the situation in Gaza, the situation in the north or whatever is decided. We will determine which international audiences we want to reach through the Internet and the strategy we will use to reach them, and the workers will implement that on in the field. Of course they will not distribute official communiquיs; they will draft the conversations themselves. We will also activate an Internet-monitoring team – people who will follow blogs, the BBC website, the Arabic websites.”
According to Shturman the project will begin with a limited budget, but he has plans to expand the team and its missions: “the new centre will also be able to support Israel as an economic and commercial entity,” he says. “Alternative energy, for example, now interests the American public and Congress much more than the conflict in the Middle East. If through my team I can post in blogs dealing with alternative energy and push the names of Israeli companies there, I will strengthen Israel’s image as a developed state that contributes to the quality of the environment and to humanity, and along with that I may also manage to help an Israeli company get millions of dollars worth of contracts. The economic potential here is great, but for that we will require a large number of people. What is unique about the Internet is the fragmentation into different communities, every community deals with what interests it. To each of those communities you have to introduce material that is relevant to it.”
The inspiration: covert advertising on the Internet
The Foreign Ministry admits that the inspiration comes from none other than the much-reviled field of compensated commercial talkback: employees of companies and public-relations firms who post words of praise on the Internet for those who sent them there – the company that is their employer or their client. The professional responders normally identify themselves as chance readers of the article they are responding to or as “satisfied customers” of the company they are praising.
Will the responders who are hired for this also present themselves as “ordinary net-surfers”?
“Of course,” says Shturman. “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the policy-explanation department of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the Foreign Ministry developed.”
Test-firing in the Gaza War
According to Shturman, although it is only now that the project is receiving a budget and a special department in the Foreign Ministry, in practice the Ministry has been using its own responders since the last war in Gaza, when the Ministry recruited volunteer talkbackers. “During Operation Cast Lead we appealed to Jewish communities abroad and with their help we recruited a few thousand volunteers, who were joined by Israeli volunteers. We gave them background material and policy-explanation material, and we sent them to represent the Israeli point of view on news websites and in polls on the Internet,” says Shturman. “Our target audience then was the European Left, which was not friendly towards the policy of the government. For that reason we began to get involved in discussions on blogs in England, Spain and Germany, a very hostile environment.”
And how much change have you effected so far?
“It is hard to prove success in this kind of activity, but it is clear that we succeeded in bypassing the European television networks, which are very critical of Israel, and we have created direct dialogues with the public.”
What things have you done there exactly?
“For example, we sent someone to write in the website of a left-wing group in Spain. He wrote ‘it is not exactly as you say.’ Someone at the website replied to him, and we replied again, we gave arguments, pictures. Dialogue like that opens people’s eyes.”
Elon Gilad, a worker at the Foreign Ministry who coordinated the activities of the volunteer talkbackers during the war in Gaza and will coordinate the activities of the professional talkbackers in the new project, says that volunteering for talkback in defence of Israel started spontaneously: “Many times people contacted us and asked how they could help to explain Israeli policy. They mainly do it at times like the Gaza operation. People just asked for information, and afterwards we saw that the information was distributed all over the Internet. The Ministry of Absorption also started a project at that time, and they transferred to us hundreds of volunteers who speak foreign languages and who will help to spread the information. That project too mainly spreads information on the Internet.”
“You can’t win”
While most of the net-surfers were recruited through websites like giyus.org, which was officially activated by a Jewish lobby, in some cases is it was the Foreign Ministry that took the initiative to contact the surfers and asked them to post talkbacks sympathetic to the State and the government [of Israel] on the Internet and to help recruit volunteers. That’s how Michal Carmi, an active blogger and associate general manager at the high-tech placement company Tripletec, was recruited to the online policy-explanation team.
“During Operation Cast Lead the Foreign Ministry wrote to me and other bloggers and asked us to make our opinions known on the international stage as well,” Carmi tells Calcalist. “They sent us pages with ‘taking points’ and a great many video clips. I focussed my energies on Facebook, and here and there I wrote responses on blogs where words like ‘Holocaust’ and ‘murder’ were used in connection with Israel’s Gaza action. I had some very hard conversations there. Several times the Foreign Ministry also recommended that we access specific blogs and get involved in the discussions that were taking place there.”
And does it work? Does it have any effect?
“I am not sure that that strategy was correct. The Ministry did excellent work, they sent us a flood of accurate information, but it focussed on Israeli suffering and the threat of the missiles. But the view of the Europeans is one-dimensional. Israeli suffering does not seem relevant to them compared to Palestinian suffering.”
“You can never win in this struggle. All you can do is be there and express your position,” is how Gilad sums up the effectiveness so far, as well as his expectations of the operation when it begins to receive a government budget.
* “department for the explanation of Israeli policy” is a translation of only two words in the original Hebrew text: “mahleqet ha-hasbara” – literally, “the department of explanation”. Israeli readers require no elaboration. Henceforth in this article, “hasbara” will be translated as “policy-explanation”. It may also be translated as “public diplomacy” or “propaganda” – trans.
UMMM But don't you leave out what Jesus told many of the Jews?
John 8
[h=3]Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are[/h]31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Does not Jesus say in that passage they are NOT of Abraham? Doesn't Jesus say if they do not love Him they CAN NOT love the Father? Does not Jesus say that they are of their father the devil?
John 8
[h=3]Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are[/h]31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Does not Jesus say in that passage they are NOT of Abraham? Doesn't Jesus say if they do not love Him they CAN NOT love the Father? Does not Jesus say that they are of their father the devil?
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At the time when Jesus was gathering with his disciples and sent them out to the household of Israel (Matt 10:6), they did not preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified nor were they accepted into that household based upon the blood of Christ. They did not preach the forgiveness of sins through that blood, nor reconciliation to God through that blood. They did not even preach the commandments or any of the commonwealth benefits associated with the new testament that was to be ratified by that blood. They were sent out to preach the gospel of the kingdom. Was this gospel accepted by Israel or rejected? Was this gospel of the kingdom preached and rejected by the Gentiles during the time of Christ? You decide.
After Jesus Christ had instructed his disciples and then ascended to the right hand of the Father, they waited for that promised power that was to come upon and unto them. When that power of the Spirit had come, Peter rose up and gave the first presentation of the gospel to those Jews (from all over the known world) who were gathered for the passover when the day of Pentecost had fully come. In his gospel message there is no mention of the kingdom of God having come unto them. The gospel that Peter preached to the house of Israel in Acts 2 says this. MARK IT DOWN!
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
This is the first time that this gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified had been preached to any man and it was to the Jew first and then to the Gentiles (Rom 1:16) . It was the Jews who took this gospel to the Gentiles and it was this gospel that would bring salvation to them. It was not the gospel of the kingdom that saved the Jews at Pentecost or the Gentiles that would follow, but it was the gospel of Christ and him crucified and those who believed were saved, received the Holy Spirit and were added to the church, which later was revealed by Paul as the body of Christ. This was an organic body that made up the church and not a kingdom. The church is a body, not a kingdom. They were to preach this gospel unto all men. The gospel or good news of the kingdom that was preached by Paul was in addition or the fruit of being saved by the name and gospel of Jesus Christ. All who believed and were saved under the gospel of Christ and him crucified would gain entrance into the kingdom of God as an inheritance. The righteousness, peace and joy of the Holy Spirit they would have within through Christ and the indwelling Spirit on the earth (Rom 14:17), and it would be more than any meat or drink that could nourish them. It would be the very essence of what the kingdom of God is made.
After Jesus Christ had instructed his disciples and then ascended to the right hand of the Father, they waited for that promised power that was to come upon and unto them. When that power of the Spirit had come, Peter rose up and gave the first presentation of the gospel to those Jews (from all over the known world) who were gathered for the passover when the day of Pentecost had fully come. In his gospel message there is no mention of the kingdom of God having come unto them. The gospel that Peter preached to the house of Israel in Acts 2 says this. MARK IT DOWN!
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
This is the first time that this gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified had been preached to any man and it was to the Jew first and then to the Gentiles (Rom 1:16) . It was the Jews who took this gospel to the Gentiles and it was this gospel that would bring salvation to them. It was not the gospel of the kingdom that saved the Jews at Pentecost or the Gentiles that would follow, but it was the gospel of Christ and him crucified and those who believed were saved, received the Holy Spirit and were added to the church, which later was revealed by Paul as the body of Christ. This was an organic body that made up the church and not a kingdom. The church is a body, not a kingdom. They were to preach this gospel unto all men. The gospel or good news of the kingdom that was preached by Paul was in addition or the fruit of being saved by the name and gospel of Jesus Christ. All who believed and were saved under the gospel of Christ and him crucified would gain entrance into the kingdom of God as an inheritance. The righteousness, peace and joy of the Holy Spirit they would have within through Christ and the indwelling Spirit on the earth (Rom 14:17), and it would be more than any meat or drink that could nourish them. It would be the very essence of what the kingdom of God is made.
John 4:39-41 ¶ And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word;
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Well, I find this very sad that a lot of people forget there's a lot of Israelite people who are totally against the persecution of Palestinians. Surely, there's a lot of good people in Israel, and what their government do to Palestinians is certainly not representative of what they truly are ! Politics are...well, politics ! And there's a hidden agenda from the secret societies to secretly create division among Israelis and Arabs so that they could be conquered and controlled.
So when they say on mainstream media Israel did this or that to Palestinians, I'm fully aware it's a great tragedy for both Palestinians and all Israelis with a heart, and that it's all a machiavelic propaganda to create hate on Israel, to create division between Israelis and Arabs, and to fuel the future agenda of future terrorism and great wars. It's all set up.
And I refuse to fall in that trap.
Israelis would not be unbelievers in the Messiah forever.
And Jesus will not come back until Israelis say :
" Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. "
It's written : " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. " Matthew 23:37-39 ( KJV )
That's right, you read it,
Jesus will not come back unless the House of Israel recognize Him as the Messiah !
So when they say on mainstream media Israel did this or that to Palestinians, I'm fully aware it's a great tragedy for both Palestinians and all Israelis with a heart, and that it's all a machiavelic propaganda to create hate on Israel, to create division between Israelis and Arabs, and to fuel the future agenda of future terrorism and great wars. It's all set up.
And I refuse to fall in that trap.
Israelis would not be unbelievers in the Messiah forever.
And Jesus will not come back until Israelis say :
" Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. "
It's written : " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. " Matthew 23:37-39 ( KJV )
That's right, you read it,
Jesus will not come back unless the House of Israel recognize Him as the Messiah !
A distinction without a difference. . .
Jesus said."The kingdom of God is near. . .believe the good news (gospel)." (Mk 1:16)
The gospel is of the coming kingdom of God, which is Christ crucified, forgiveness of sin by grace through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25), reconciliation with God because of forgiveness of sin freely giving right standing (righteousness) before God (Ro 5:17, 3:21), etc.
There is no dichotomy between the gospel of the kingdom of God and the gospel of Christ.
The former flows into the latter, the latter is the fullness of the former.
You have put asunder what God has joined.
The gospel that Peter preached to the house of Israel in Acts 2 says this. MARK IT DOWN!
Peter preached fulfillment of OT prophecies in Joel and Psalms regarding the kingdom of God.
The saving events of the gospel are the coming of the kingdom of God.
Meaning? . . .Relevance?
And that gospel was of the arrival of the kingdom of God in the work of Christ Jesus.
The gospel of the imminent kingdom of God and the gospel of Christ are one and the same, just with different names.
Using different names for the same thing is common in the NT:
light, holiness, purity;
darkness, moral perversity, unrighteousness;
propitiation, atonement, reconciliation.
Your distinctions are without difference.
What is the purpose of them?
Jesus said."The kingdom of God is near. . .believe the good news (gospel)." (Mk 1:16)
The gospel is of the coming kingdom of God, which is Christ crucified, forgiveness of sin by grace through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25), reconciliation with God because of forgiveness of sin freely giving right standing (righteousness) before God (Ro 5:17, 3:21), etc.
There is no dichotomy between the gospel of the kingdom of God and the gospel of Christ.
The former flows into the latter, the latter is the fullness of the former.
You have put asunder what God has joined.
The gospel that Peter preached to the house of Israel in Acts 2 says this. MARK IT DOWN!
Peter preached fulfillment of OT prophecies in Joel and Psalms regarding the kingdom of God.
The saving events of the gospel are the coming of the kingdom of God.
Meaning? . . .Relevance?
And that gospel was of the arrival of the kingdom of God in the work of Christ Jesus.
The gospel of the imminent kingdom of God and the gospel of Christ are one and the same, just with different names.
Using different names for the same thing is common in the NT:
light, holiness, purity;
darkness, moral perversity, unrighteousness;
propitiation, atonement, reconciliation.
Your distinctions are without difference.
What is the purpose of them?
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