For those of you keeping the Sabbath........
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Actually, I prefer to post in the forum and allow others the ability to chime in as they see fit. I do PM peeps, but only if I have something personnel or private to discuss. I am sorry you feel sensitive about my question. My posts are only meant to discuss topics (for the most part) and not individuals. I have not intended my posts to be hurtful but I do have an issue with doctrines that might cause people to lose thier salvation.
Blending old testament law with new testament grace severs a person from Christ. I hope you find freedom in Christ out of the abundance of His mercy and everlasting life. Nothing on earth can compare to this. I can only hope you see that teaching Sabbath as law is grievous. We are free from that yoke of bondage as we put on the yoke of Christ. It makes no sense to be under two yokes. I hope and pray that some day you see that.
Blending old testament law with new testament grace severs a person from Christ. I hope you find freedom in Christ out of the abundance of His mercy and everlasting life. Nothing on earth can compare to this. I can only hope you see that teaching Sabbath as law is grievous. We are free from that yoke of bondage as we put on the yoke of Christ. It makes no sense to be under two yokes. I hope and pray that some day you see that.
And as I've said before Dan (and I think you and I have engaged with this before, me following the Torah doesn't negate in anyway the grace and mercy that saved me. I have just as much freedom as you to live in that mercy and grace. I don't fit into the box of people's perceptions that my keeping the Torah somehow affects or detracts from that mercy. It's only a yoke if you do it strictly out of obligation. It's not a yoke if you love God enough that you want to do the things He said to do.
Like I said, I don't fit into the box people would like to put me in. It's something I've had to clarify several times over. But I'm always happy to do so.
Matt
Like I said, I don't fit into the box people would like to put me in. It's something I've had to clarify several times over. But I'm always happy to do so.
Matt
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I must defend here. To say teaching Sabbath as law is grievous is to say the law of God is grievous. What made it more grievous is that He commanded the Israelites to call the sabbath a delight. One has to wonder why sabbath, a day of rest, given by our creator is considered a bondage but a holiday given by our earthly employer is considered a delight. I believe sabbath is misunderstood.
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If you claim we should observe Sabbath because it is current law, then you misunderstand the work of the cross. Jesus came to fulfill the law. This means we do not need circumcision of the the penis, but circumcision of the heart. We no longer need to sacrifice animals as Christ is the ultimate sacrifice. We no longer need to cover ourselves with a talit (Jewish prayer shawl) when we pray because Jesus covers us in His blood. We no longer need to observe Sabbath as a law because Christ is our Sabbath.
If you claim that we must obey the Sabbath then you reject that Christ is your Sabbath. I have posted Gal. 5:1-12 several times. It clearly states that those who obey the old covenant and the new covenant are severed from Christ. If you think I should obey the Sabbath, then you are in rebellion to scripture.
If you claim that we must obey the Sabbath then you reject that Christ is your Sabbath. I have posted Gal. 5:1-12 several times. It clearly states that those who obey the old covenant and the new covenant are severed from Christ. If you think I should obey the Sabbath, then you are in rebellion to scripture.
Now many speak foolishly without study this is called ignorance now yashuah is the fullfillment and not only the fullfillment but the magnification of it with a righteiusness of an understanding beyond all human view that establishes eternal life thanks be to yashuah but the mysteries of the kingdom are only to his elect and that is what he came to do that holiness is the establisment of our existence
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Like I said earlier, I simply don't understand why it's considered grievous when God, our biggest boss, gives us a day off but it's the opposite when our earthly boss gives us a day off. In the OT the big boss got angry when Israelites, whom He loves, worked on their day off. In the NT the big boss son says on our day off if good work has to be done we have to do it.
So by following the big boss and the big boss son we are severed from the big boss son and rebellion to his instruction?
So by following the big boss and the big boss son we are severed from the big boss son and rebellion to his instruction?
We establish the law of the spirit doing all goodness at all times doing away with envy strife seditions stop denying righteousness but embracing it that ye may take your true form your inheritance that is your heritage now i will reveal even now we dont see it but it will be when all is done we shall no more have sorrows nor hatred for it will be finished and the kingdom established.as it was intended from the very begining
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The OT does not teach grace? You sure?
In the OT God Himself said The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and GRACIOUS God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin.
In the OT the psalmist said praise the Lord, O my soul, and forget not his benefits - who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion....He made known his ways to Moses, his deeds to the people of Israel. Ths Lord is compasssionate and GRACIOUS, slow to anger, abounding in love.
Both God Himself and the psalmist witnessed His grace and love and you didn't see that?
In the OT God Himself said The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and GRACIOUS God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin.
In the OT the psalmist said praise the Lord, O my soul, and forget not his benefits - who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion....He made known his ways to Moses, his deeds to the people of Israel. Ths Lord is compasssionate and GRACIOUS, slow to anger, abounding in love.
Both God Himself and the psalmist witnessed His grace and love and you didn't see that?
Zechariah 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, and your spoil shall be divided in the midst of you.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses ransacked, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And all of you shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, all of you shall flee, like all of you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with you.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will strike all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will strike the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
1 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, and your spoil shall be divided in the midst of you.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses ransacked, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And all of you shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, all of you shall flee, like all of you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with you.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will strike all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will strike the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
play on the Levitical tithe.
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He can't be reading the same Bible we do because grace it all through the OT. If it were not for grace Adam & Eve would have died after they sinned because God told them they would die when they ate from the tree. They did not die because of grace. God gave them coats of skins from from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world which pointed to the Christ to come which would make grace and forgiveness possible through His death.
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Probably misled by institutional church. I once was misled too.
Sabbath is one of the greatest gift God gives mankind but see how it's interpreted as devilish manmade doctrine now. In the old days God blessed the Sabbath and commanded His people to keep it holy. His people desecrated it and ended up losing the rest and became slave again in Babylon.
Many don't have the freedom to rest on Sabbath. Many who do have the freedom choose to rest on other days and do earthly things on the Sabbath. If this is not bondage I don't know what it is. Some might say it's freedom, I'd say following the pattern of this world is not freedom. We are but slaves.
Sabbath is one of the greatest gift God gives mankind but see how it's interpreted as devilish manmade doctrine now. In the old days God blessed the Sabbath and commanded His people to keep it holy. His people desecrated it and ended up losing the rest and became slave again in Babylon.
Many don't have the freedom to rest on Sabbath. Many who do have the freedom choose to rest on other days and do earthly things on the Sabbath. If this is not bondage I don't know what it is. Some might say it's freedom, I'd say following the pattern of this world is not freedom. We are but slaves.