Support your Local Jew!

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I don't think any of you who have been contrary to this thread topic care to minister the gospel to the Jews or the people of Israel who are in unbelief. You seem to have no concern for them or for their salvation or to even be good to them as a neighbor. So why not be honest and tell the truth as to how you relate and really feel about them. None of you have said a good thing about them past, present or future. To some of you they do not exist and are not really a people, yet we have a nation of Israel that is filled with some type of people who have made their 'aliyah'. Do they all think they are Jews but are not? Even Paul after his conversion must have been mistaken as to his people being Israelites.
 
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Praus said:
Everyone--Jewish, atheist, Muslim, Hindu--gets the same testimony from me--how Jesus Christ saved me from death by alcohol and various darknesses that I learned in India and Central America and on and on.

My testimony doesn't really even concentrate on salvation, because I'm still here, not dead yet. It's about being healed by the Blood of the Lamb (1 Pet 2:24) and how every single day that I live sober is completely the work of the Holy Spirit (not my work) (John 15:5) and it's completely because of God's mercy on me (Exod 34:6-7).

Jesus Christ and Bible study is my sobriety program.
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When was the last time you ministered the gospel specifically to a Jew without prejudice?
 
To read these posts, you would think that most Christians have a special bible where the 11th chapter of Romans has been ripped out. Besides, we are told not to be arrogant. I hope God doesn't read these posts.
 
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BradC said:
You should try to minister the gospel to the Jews,
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What about the Gentiles?

God just might teach you something that could be beneficial to your growth in grace and truth in Christ.
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But not if I minister to the Gentiles?

Only if you love them and are concerned for their souls.
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Love and concern for the souls of the Gentiles is not as important?

Does God favor unbelieving Jews over unbelieving Gentiles as you do?
 
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CoooCaw said:
Originally Posted by CoooCaw
it amazed me when Zone used her twisted logic to concludethat I was antisemitic;
And you haven't substantiated your charge ofantisemitism against me, you merely changed the subject.
How many times do I need to say it: posting thoseimages was an anti-Semitic act – as you were seeking to discredit Israel?
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Those images were, in fact, seeking to discredit Israel. This is called anti-Zionism, not antisemitism. If you are required to redefine the meaning of words to validate your theology then that discredits your theology.

I remain a Zionist--I support Israel's right to exist as a self-defining nation--whether or not I post any such images. I mock President Obama and the NSA in my signature below in every post--this a reflection of certain actions by my own government, not the American people, not the US's right to exist.

Israel is a modern, very westernized democracy and I expect them to act with a lot of social responsibility--the same that I expect from my own government and every other modern western democracy.

CoooCaw said:
Originally Posted byCoooCaw
I can understand you two wanting to spread such propagandaas a debating strategy but it is always a mistake to start believing your ownlies
CoooCaw, you're ten years older than me and writinglike a high school kid. Don't you care enough about Jewish people to actuallyadopt some basic adult skills in your writing style? I think the Jewish peopleof the world deserve better.
Ad Hominem – you are not actually responding to thepoint then.
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I'm an American and I believed every single picture they showed of the Abu Ghraib war crimes in 2003-4. None of them lies, and none of them are anti-American propaganda, they all happened.

Photos don't qualify as propaganda because some people aren't brave enough to look at such things with both eyes wide open.

Gen. Corman: He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct. And he is still in the field commanding troops. --Apocalypse Now (1979)


CoooCaw said:
Originally Posted byCoooCaw
What you two MISrepresent as dispensationalism is simply apaper tiger
I don't know about Zone, I'm actually interested inwhat you "MISrepresent" as Christianity and "MISrepresent"as Judaism--starting with the title of this thread which is not about "mylocal Jew".
Again you are NOT responding to the point – you aremaking 2 assertions about me:
In what way am I MISrepresenting Christianity?
In what way am I MISrepresenting Judaism?
- Provide evidence!
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Well, actually I wrote that I'm interested, not that I'm prepared to write an essay right now.

The first deception came in post #2 of this thread, it was all about Israel in a thread titled "Support your Local Jew!".

Why not just title the thread "Support Israel" and avoid deception? As of 2002 there were 621,000 Jewish people here in the Los Angeles area, more than in Jerusalem, why did you fail to include them?

Jewish population by urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CoooCaw said:
Why usedeception if you want us to understand dispensationalism?
You accuse me of deception – well one of us, itappears, is being deceptive.
My motive for this thread was not to promotedispensationalism but it is an inevitable result of taking a sound doctrinalposition.
That's what I know so far--dispensationalists usedeception.
All snipers take pot shots and do not exposethemselves to examination.
Given that you are not a Dispensationalist; what AREyou?

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You should take a close look at your own AMill position andsee where that LOGICALLY leads
Um, what's an "AMill position"?
If you are anti Biblical Dispensationalism you aremost likely Amillennial but if you are a sniper then you probably do not have aproperly developed theology: What IS your position on eschatology??
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It includes being here for as long as I can during the tribulation so I can continue to work for Jesus Christ. (2 Tim 4:2)

CoooCaw said:
Originally Posted byCoooCaw
Jews all over the world are coming to realise that if theyhave ANY friends in the world, it is the Bible Believing Christians as opposedto the established denominations; and certainly not papists or those who arebogged down in the half baked, unfinished revolution that is Reformed theology.
I already specified that if you want to be takenseriously that you should call them Jewish people, not Jews.
I will decide what terms I choose to use; I willcertainly not submit to you as the PC thought police.
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That's what I've been writing, Jewish people are human beings, not objects, so it's really not acceptable to objectify human beings, and after Auschwitz, it's really, really not acceptable.

CoooCaw said:
Originally Posted byPraus
This is 2013 and word "Jew" is generallyconsidered a slur.
Acceptable: Jewish person, Jewish people, Hebrewperson, Hebrew people
Not acceptable: Jew
I find it acceptable and is this where I get to say Ihave lots of friends who are Jews?
I'm guessing that by continuing--in your slurring, inyour misrepresentation of their "friends in the world",
and in your objectification of them for you owntheological fantasy (What does thiseven mean??)
--that you don't actually know any Jewish people--noteven one(See above).
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Something along the lines of all of the Jewish peoples to return to Israel on your time schedule, to fulfill the dispensationalist rapture fantasy.

--

Col. Kurtz: Did they say why, Willard, why they want to terminate my command?
...
Capt. Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Col. Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Capt. Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.
--Apocalypse Now (1979)

 
Praus said:
Everyone--Jewish, atheist, Muslim, Hindu--gets the same testimony from me--how Jesus Christ saved me from death by alcohol and various darknesses that I learned in India and Central America and on and on.

My testimony doesn't really even concentrate on salvation, because I'm still here, not dead yet. It's about being healed by the Blood of the Lamb (1 Pet 2:24) and how every single day that I live sober is completely the work of the Holy Spirit (not my work) (John 15:5) and it's completely because of God's mercy on me (Exod 34:6-7).

Jesus Christ and Bible study is my sobriety program.
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HALLELUJAH!!!
 
BradC said:
I don't think any of you who have been contrary to this thread topic care to minister the gospel to the Jews or the people of Israel who are in unbelief. You seem to have no concern for them or for their salvation or to even be good to them as a neighbor. So why not be honest and tell the truth as to how you relate and really feel about them. None of you have said a good thing about them past, present or future. To some of you they do not exist and are not really a people, yet we have a nation of Israel that is filled with some type of people who have made their 'aliyah'. Do they all think they are Jews but are not? Even Paul after his conversion must have been mistaken as to his people being Israelites.
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Why do you keep framing ministry of the gospel in terms of the unbelieving Jews vs. whoever?

The Jew are no different than anyone else, no better and no worse.

So why do you keep singling them out?

Why don't you single out the unbelieving Greeks. . .or the unbelieving French. . .or the unbelieving Muslims, or. . .

Do you think God favors one group of unbelievers over another?
 
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When was the last time you ministered the gospel specifically to a Jew without prejudice?
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You really need to be interested in all unbelievers, not just the Jewish ones.

You are manifesting the same prejudice regarding ministering the gospel to non-Jews

as you say you see in others regarding ministering the gospel to Jews.
 
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RedTent said:
To read these posts, you would think that most Christians have a special bible where the 11th chapter of Romans has been ripped out. Besides, we are told not to be arrogant.
I hope God doesn't read these posts.
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Are you familiar with the God of the Bible?
 
BradC said:
When was the last time you ministered the gospel specifically to a Jew without prejudice?
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:confused:

There's a couple that I do dogsitting for and one of the women is Jewish, so fairly recently. And they remember very well what I was like when I was drinking, which I hope gives some gravity to my testimony. They're still lesbians though...
 
BradC said:
I don't think any of you who have been contrary to this thread topic care to minister the gospel to the Jews or the people of Israel who are in unbelief. You seem to have no concern for them or for their salvation or to even be good to them as a neighbor. So why not be honest and tell the truth as to how you relate and really feel about them. None of you have said a good thing about them past, present or future.
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This is false and ludicrous and easily disproved just by reading the thread.

Here is where I explained how Jesus Christ saved my life from alcohol.

Praus said:
Jesus Christ and Bible study is my sobriety program.
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Here is where I credited my neighbors, Jewish Family Services of Los Angeles, for being part of that.

Praus said:
Jewish Family Services of Los Angeles. I used to go to SMART Recovery meetings when I was first getting sober and the place was a lifesaver for me personally.
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Prov 6:16 ¶ These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
 
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CoooCaw said:
Originally Posted by CoooCaw
it amazed me when Zone used her twisted logic to concludethat I was antisemitic;
And you haven't substantiated your charge ofantisemitism against me, you merely changed the subject.
How many times do I need to say it: posting thoseimages was an anti-Semitic act – as you were seeking to discredit Israel?
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:confused:

If your worldview is really so skewed to think that I'm antisemitic or anti-Zionist then I suggest finding new teachers.


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Lyrics:

תסתכל פה ושם
מסביב לעולם
יש צרות, דאגות
החיוך נעלם
אך אל תראה רק שחור
כי גם זה יעבור
והכל יסתדר
כי ד' יעזור

יש תקוה
אם נשיר כולנו יחד
יש אמונה חזקה מכל הפחד
לא נפול, לא נרעד
כי אנחנו לא לבד
יש לנו ד' אחד

היי, אחי
בוא איתי
שים ידך בידי
אל תדאג, אל תפחד
כי נצעד יד ביד
הקדוש ברוך הוא
את כולנו אוהב
עוד תראה שמחר
ייגמר הכאב

English Lyrics translated by Rabbi Eli Freidman
Look around, far and near
Where's the joy, where's the cheer

Why the fear, why the frown
Why the smile upside down
Shake yourself from the dust
Scrape your soul from the rust
Know that this too shall pass
For in G-d we trust


There is hope
If we sing our hope together
We have faith that is stronger than the terror
No despair, no dismay
Everything will be okay
He is with us night and day


Brother dear
Dry your tears
Take my hand, never fear
Let's advance, side by side
And let's cast our fright aside
Don't forget all the love
That we have from Above

And you'll see with the dawn
All the pain will be gone​
 
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