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The Semites in Israel are not Jews, they are simply Semites. Judaism has not existed since the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. Only Christians are Jews. Jesus Christ did away with Judaism after establishing Christianity, the true Jewish religion. There is no such thing as Judaism today.
That word Jew means a lot of different things to different people. I wish you had been around when Hitler was defining the word Jew. If Judaism doesn't exist, there are lots of Christians who get very upset at the very thought of anything from Judaism used in worship. If it doesn't exist, lots of people get upset for nothing.

The bible seems to talk about Jews as an ethnic group, those whose parents are Jews. Then there are the gentiles who became Jews through going through prescribed ceremonies. Another group the bible talks of are those of us who are grafted in.

Scripture tells us that we need to honor the Jews because God used them to teach us. Something that hasn't been brought out in these posts is that their practice of worshipping God kept the common man's awareness of God alive during the dark ages. Even though they were blinded to Christ, as we are told in Romans, their lives reflected God during a time when man was very cruel and superstitious.
 
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Zech 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts thereinshall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and willrefine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: theyshall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: andthey shall say, The LORD is my God.


document that in the Bible please.



if you're using the passages i suspect you are for the first false statement, the death of 'the jews' (where will the church be? raptured away somehere?) will be because they DID NOT TAKE THE MARK.
yes the church will be in heaven at this time
 

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Yahweh is going to call all who are called by His name from all the lands to where they have been driven and bring them back to Him......
 
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Are they Pharisees ?

[video=youtube;3taGdYCPwjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3taGdYCPwjw[/video]​
 

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Zech 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts thereinshall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and willrefine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: theyshall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: andthey shall say, The LORD is my God.




yes the church will be in heaven at this time
as we know Christ is the only path to salvation and those who confess Christ are his church. now this one third whom are tried by fire(as you see it is after the rapture of the church),but,,,john 14;6,,,,"no man cometh unto the father but by me",,,,

so as for zech 13;8 2/3 plus 1/3 is 100% ,,,,,but 1/3 say "the lord(Christ) is my god,that is they convert to Christianity. now you are saying this event takes place "after the church is in heaven",,,,so either zech 13;8 takes place (before the church is taken to heaven),,,,or else there is another path to the father,and Christ says there is not in john 14;6,,,,

there are 2/3=jew's who do not convert to the belief in Christ. and 1/3 who are refined in the fire(convert to the belief in jesus),,,if not there are "two ways to the father,which the scripture does not support",,,,,,,john14;6,,,,,,
 
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iamsoandso; so as for zech 13;8 2/3 plus 1/3 is 100% said:
Zech 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me(Jesus) whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

No one is saying there are two ways to be saved but…..
There were saved people before the church was started – Pentecost
And there will be saved people after the church is completed - Rapture
These are people who live in Jerusalem; they are jews
 

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No one is saying there are two ways to be saved but…..
There were saved people before the church was started – Pentecost
And there will be saved people after the church is completed - Rapture
These are people who live in Jerusalem; they are jews
"And there will be saved people after the church is completed - Rapture" < there is no 1,000 future Kingdom and nobody gets saved after the "rapture": the Rapture is the Second Advent - the Resurrection. there is no pretrib rapture.


Zech 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me(Jesus) whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
These WERE people who live in Jerusalem; they WERE jews
Zechariah 12:10 is FULFILLED.

Luke 23
27And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him.

John 19
35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”

the time of jacobs's trouble is OVER.
 
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"And there will be saved people after the church is completed - Rapture" < there is no 1,000 future Kingdom and nobody gets saved after the "rapture": the Rapture is the Second Advent - the Resurrection. there is no pretrib rapture.






Zechariah 12:10 is FULFILLED.

Luke 23
27And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him.

John 19
35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”

the time of jacobs's trouble is OVER.

you are in doctrinal error zone; this makes you antisemitic and vulnerable to manipulation by the enemy
 

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Zechariah 12:10 is FULFILLED.

Luke 23
27And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him.

John 19
35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”

the time of jacobs's trouble is OVER.


you are in doctrinal error zone; this makes you antisemitic and vulnerable to manipulation by the enemy
i'm antisemitic for saying the time of jacob's trouble is over?

:)

no, it's you guys who can't wait to raptured away so the jews get slaughtered.

disgusting.

this post by CoooCaw shows just how far the truth has departed from evangelical cults.

ICHABOD!

shame on you!
 

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you are in doctrinal error zone; this makes you antisemitic and vulnerable to manipulation by the enemy
Dispensationalism: Most Dangerous Cult in the World

The Dispensationalists who preach Armageddon Theology are a relatively new cult - less than 200 years old. There are four main aspects of their belief system:

1) They are anti-Semitic. They profess a fervent love for Israel. Their support of Israel does not, however, arise out of a true love for the Jews and their sufferings. Rather, their "love and support" is based on their wanting Israel "in place" for the "Second Coming of Christ," when they expect most Jews to be destroyed.

2) The Dispensationalists have a very narrow view of God and the six billion people on the planet. They worship a tribal god who is only concerned with two peoples: Jews and Christians, whose said tribal God intends to pit against one another for His favor. The other five billion people on the planet are just not on this God's radar except to be killed in the final battle.

3) The Dispensationalists are certain right down to their bones that they understand the Mind of God. They provide a scenario, like a movie script, that unfolds with time sequences, epochs or "dispensations" all ending happily with an end-time escapism called the Rapture - for a 'chosen few' like themselves.

They appeal to those who want to feel that they are on the "inside" of a "special group" with secret, profound knowledge. This desire for certitude causes millions of the followers of Dispensationalism to trust their leaders to an extraordinary degree.

4) Fatalism is the fourth aspect of Dispensationalists. The world, they say, is getting steadily worse and we can do nothing, so there is no point in doing anything. The teachers teach about the wrath of a vengeful god and declare that God does not want us to work for peace, that God demands that we wage a nuclear war: Armageddon that will destroy the planet.

The frightening by-product of these beliefs is that, since the Cult is in Power in the United States, it is so easy to create the very situations which are described, thus ensuring the fulfillment of the ideas of the Dispensationalists: the Cult that wants to Create Armageddon and needs 5 billion people on the planet to go willingly to the sacrificial altar, and the Muslims have been chosen to be first.

This is the the Most Dangerous Cult in the World
- by LAURA KNIGHT-JADCZYK

.....

"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation, If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."

- John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.
 

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This may injure some folks' pride but every time a person calls out the name, Jew, they are saying Yahweh's name. We are all called by His name, are we not?

Yahweh is going to call all who are called by His name from all the lands to where they have been driven and bring them back to Him......
 
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Ever ask them what they think about Jesus?
What did Paul think about Jesus before he was converted, as a Pharisee and a son of a Pharisee? I think we can discern the answer to that by how he treated those who believed in Christ. He also had to be struck down by a bright light to get his attention and Christ then spoke to him. I don't think you would have found much fondness in Saul concerning Christ or for those who worshipped him, probably the same you would find today among the most stiff necked.
 
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Thank you for supporting me. As a Christian, I am automatically also a Jew as all Christians are. There is no such thing as a Jew who is not a Christian and no such thing as a Christian who is not a Jew.

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. -- Rom. 2:29

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. -- Rev. 3:9

So remember to pray for the Peace of Jerusalem--the Christian Church.
Amen !

Jews = Christians.

Gentiles = non-believers.

Note in the scripture below how the physical Jews (referred to as "Gentiles") are the synagogue of Satan.

1Cor 10:18-20
Observe Israel after the flesh: Are not those who eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? Rather, that the things which the Gentiles (Physical Jews/Israel after the flesh) sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
 

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well i guess its the part about "the times of the gentiles" that throws the curve ball,,,the Jews don't believe any of it though they don't follow any of the new testament. the Christians completely understand it(all but the what then?,concept)...Luke 21;24,,,, trodden down and led away captive,,"until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled",,,then what?

that is none of the rest of the prophecies written of the the Jews could be fulfilled until the prophecies concerning the gentiles are fulfilled. so first the 7th head must come to power,then the 10 horns,a little horn then the 8th which was of the seven. but consider the 8th,can it come to rule if the 10 horns or the little horn or the 7nth has come and fulfilled their prophecies?,,,,,no it being in the prophecy "8th" cannot come as the 7nth, nor as one of the 10,and cannot replace the little horn,,,,it comes in it's order after the captivity and times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

could any of the prophecies concerning the state of Israel be full filled in 1946 when there was no state of Israel? yet now after 1948 this state of Israel is standing upright in the earth,what hinders these prophecies from being fulfilled now?,,that is before 1948 Jews in some nations were still in captivity and were killed by the millions by the gentile nations,but no more.
 
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@iamsoandso

The 'times of the Gentiles' is simply a reference to the 3 1/2 year period that was fulfilled by Titus and the 5th and 10th Roman Legion Eagles during the sack of Jerusalem from A.D. 66-70. That's all it ever meant and all it will ever mean.
 
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Uh, could we get back on topic - Support your Local Chew!

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Dispensationalism: Most Dangerous Cult in the World

The Dispensationalists who preach Armageddon Theology are a relatively new cult - less than 200 years old. There are four main aspects of their belief system:

1) They are anti-Semitic. They profess a fervent love for Israel. Their support of Israel does not, however, arise out of a true love for the Jews and their sufferings. Rather, their "love and support" is based on their wanting Israel "in place" for the "Second Coming of Christ," when they expect most Jews to be destroyed.

2) The Dispensationalists have a very narrow view of God and the six billion people on the planet. They worship a tribal god who is only concerned with two peoples: Jews and Christians, whose said tribal God intends to pit against one another for His favor. The other five billion people on the planet are just not on this God's radar except to be killed in the final battle.

3) The Dispensationalists are certain right down to their bones that they understand the Mind of God. They provide a scenario, like a movie script, that unfolds with time sequences, epochs or "dispensations" all ending happily with an end-time escapism called the Rapture - for a 'chosen few' like themselves.

They appeal to those who want to feel that they are on the "inside" of a "special group" with secret, profound knowledge. This desire for certitude causes millions of the followers of Dispensationalism to trust their leaders to an extraordinary degree.

4) Fatalism is the fourth aspect of Dispensationalists. The world, they say, is getting steadily worse and we can do nothing, so there is no point in doing anything. The teachers teach about the wrath of a vengeful god and declare that God does not want us to work for peace, that God demands that we wage a nuclear war: Armageddon that will destroy the planet.

The frightening by-product of these beliefs is that, since the Cult is in Power in the United States, it is so easy to create the very situations which are described, thus ensuring the fulfillment of the ideas of the Dispensationalists: the Cult that wants to Create Armageddon and needs 5 billion people on the planet to go willingly to the sacrificial altar, and the Muslims have been chosen to be first.

This is the the Most Dangerous Cult in the World
- by LAURA KNIGHT-JADCZYK

.....

"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation, If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."

- John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.
wow, alice thru the looking glass
 
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zone,

any observations about the Tea Party???