Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible

[zone]

Now who's derailing the thread?

how's that?

Re: Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible

former pentecostals themselves saying why the premise of the Op is false is derailing?

i'll repost it later..

 

[Stephen63]

The sad part is when they say that it's OK with God to do so and it's that it's still suppose to be from God,they make God out to be a liar,because their saying didn't really mean what He so plainly said.

Gee SarahM777, but it is all right to say the gifts of the Spirit is no longer is necessary for the church, when Jesus himself spoke about them, and then tell us this is God's way now. You are doing exactly what you blame others of doing.

You just keep projecting the blame on everybody else. It's everybody else but you and your pack.

 

[zone]

Again, refusing to comply, answering only when it's convenient. Why is it you are the only one you believe can make demands? Why can't something be demanded of you? Because you're the Great & Powerful Oz? Always leaving when convenient, or properly translated, you don't have an answer.

i complied. yesterday i posted a ton of scriptures on apostles - the ones in scripture - about Jesus saying THERE WERE HIS WITNESSES.

i asked several times if you were among them. seen Him in His resurrection?
you're pretty old, by my reckoning, then.

and not much of a witness to the things He said while He was yet with you. how come?

and i stil haven't seen any evidence you have the power or authority they had.

you said negatory there ghost rider to what those scriptures said, and haven't addressed what was posted in response to your passing over the biblical definitions and people.

do you want me to go multiquote the passages again that you didn't address (i.e: openly deny)?

my post, that you're referring to here means exactly what it said for that moment - our friend claimed to be a leader and teacher of prophets and such, in the newly contrived Five-Fold ministry.

i thought his definitions would be much more pertinent to the OP.

perhaps you want to pick up that ball and go with it.

since you're avoiding yesterday's posts.

 

[zone]

Gee SarahM777, but it is all right to say the gifts of the Spirit is no longer is necessary for the church, when Jesus himself spoke about them, and then tell us this is God's way now. You are doing exactly what you blame others of doing.

You just keep projecting the blame on everybody else. It's everybody else but you and your pack.

Pastor Stephen.
is it possible to know what direct revelations the Lord had graced your church with?
have you shared them with the greater Body?

if not.....why not?

 

[presidente]

The sad part is when they say that it's OK with God to do so and it's that it's still suppose to be from God,they make God out to be a liar,because their saying didn't really mean what He so plainly said.

Would you apply the same reasoning to those who deny that certain spiritual gifts are given to the saints or to the commandments to allow them and not forbid them in the church?

 

[zone]

Would you apply the same reasoning to those who deny that certain spiritual gifts are given to the saints or to the commandments to allow them and not forbid them in the church?

el presidente:

if they were the REAL gifts, they still wouldn't would be in the churches right now.
the real gifts were partial.

the complete Revelation is here.

use it to mature. the faith has been delivered once for all.

unless you have new information - in which case we need new Bibles.

 

[presidente]

i complied. yesterday i posted a ton of scriptures on apostles - the ones in scripture - about Jesus saying THERE WERE HIS WITNESSES.

i asked several times if you were among them. seen Him in His resurrection?
you're pretty old, by my reckoning, then.

The problem is, you are quoting verses that don't prove your point. We all agree that the Twelve apostles were witnesses of Christ's resurrection. So was Paul. The issue is whether an apostle has to be a witness of the resurrection, not whether one had to be a witness of the resurrection to be one of the twelve or whether Paul was a witness. This is what the scriptures you have quoted do not prove. Can you show that Silas, Timothy, and Apollos were witnesses of the resurrection?

 

[presidente]

el presidente:

if they were the REAL gifts, they still wouldn't would be in the churches right now.
the real gifts were partial.

the complete Revelation is here.

If your knowledge is complete, tell me, what did the seven thunders in the book of Revelation say?

Why would you believe that stuff about the Greek aorist and 'them that believe' if your knowledge is complete? Wouldn't you completely know Bible doctrine?

Do you believe your understanding now so exceeds Paul's when he wrote I Corinthians 13 that his is like a child's in comparison?

 

[Stephen63]

Pastor Stephen.
is it possible to know what direct revelations the Lord had graced your church with?
have you shared them with the greater Body?

if not.....why not?

I will not do so for when I have you & your pack have mocked, ridiculed, & judged it as of the devil & cultic. So why would I want to subjugate myself to that again?

 

[SarahM777]

Here we go again.................. with your psychological projection, stating I'm the one who has the problem, that I'm the one not listening to scripture. Don't think you can flip that on me, I know better.
Urban Dictionary: psychological projection

1. Projection is the psychological phenomenon where someone thinks everyone else is doing and thinking what they are. It is usually seen as the externalisation of a person's negative traits, placing blame on an outside force such as the environment, a government, a society or other people.
2. Projection can also extend to philosophy and knowledge. This occurs when a person or small group of people assume that everyone else is working with the same ideas and/or information that they are. When this fails to happen, however, it can lead to pluralistic ignorance. A telltale sign of this is when a speaker says that "Everybody knows that...(a certain course of action)" is either beneficial or harmful, so society should avoid an impending catastrophe by following the course of action that the speaker proposes.
3. Another common forum for projection is in internet arguments, where it is usually pathetically obvious to everyone except the projector. The problem is recognized in intelligence analysis, in the form of cognitive traps for intelligence analysis.

Stephen,

Are you aware that physcology has it's roots in humanism? It was never based on Biblical principals. The man who started it was an atheist.

 

[Stephen63]

el presidente:

if they were the REAL gifts, they still wouldn't would be in the churches right now.
the real gifts were partial.

the complete Revelation is here.

use it to mature. the faith has been delivered once for all.

unless you have new information - in which case we need new Bibles.

If the complete revelation is here, how come you keep searching the internet looking for it?

 

[Stephen63]

Stephen,

Are you aware that physcology has it's roots in humanism? It was never based on Biblical principals. The man who started it was an atheist.

Are you also aware that the medical field accepts psychological projection,that it's a symptom of narcissism, it's a fact, & that you're doing it?

 

[SarahM777]

Would you apply the same reasoning to those who deny that certain spiritual gifts are given to the saints or to the commandments to allow them and not forbid them in the church?

Can you show that what is being seen or done is from the Lord? That is the plumb line. I don't think the Lord ever meant that the fakes were to be allowed in church,. Show me the real that's all I ask,because again if it's NOT FROM the Lord it is witchcraft,divination and iodolatry. How hard is that to understand.

That is the part that gets left out. So is what is being seen and shown of the Lord or not? That should be either a yes or no.
If the things have been shown can you show the real deal? My issue is again IS IT FROM THE LORD OR NOT. What is so hard to understand about that. It's really a simple thing. It is or it is not,there is no in between.

 

[notuptome]

If your knowledge is complete, tell me, what did the seven thunders in the book of Revelation say?

Why would you believe that stuff about the Greek aorist and 'them that believe' if your knowledge is complete? Wouldn't you completely know Bible doctrine?

Do you believe your understanding now so exceeds Paul's when he wrote I Corinthians 13 that his is like a child's in comparison?

After I have come to a saving knowledge of Christ what remains? What needs revealed that the Holy Spirit does not reveal through the word of God? As a saint of God do I not have the mind of Christ?

The natural man mocks and tempts God but the Spiritual man knows better. Trust in Christ is better than all the knowledge of man.

God has given us His word and His revelation by His word is complete. God cannot lie.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SarahM777]

Are you also aware that the medical field accepts psychological projection,that it's a symptom of narcissism, it's a fact, & that you're doing it?

Does not matter if they do or not. It still has it's roots in humanism and was started by an atheist. Why any Christian would use secular humanism is beyond me.

 

[zone]

NOPE.
As usual, you go to the Internet and search with buzzwords.

i do?
which buzzwords?

can you see my room here? how many Bibles do i have on the desk stephen? have i read any of them?

of course i'm on the net - so are you LOL.

Some of us would rather use Bible commentaries, encyclopedias, and dictionaries.

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
3. The Wider Circle:
It is sometimes said by those who recognize that there were other apostles besides the Twelve and Paul that the latter (to whom some, on the ground of 1 Cor. 15:7; Galatians 1:19, would add James the Lord's brother) were the apostles par excellence, while the other apostles mentioned in the New Testament were apostles in some inferior sense. It is hardly possible, however, to make out such a distinction on the ground of New Testament usage. There were great differences, no doubt, among the apostles of the primitive church, as there were among the Twelve themselves—differences due to natural talents, to personal acquirements and experience, to spiritual gifts. Paul was greater than Barnabas or Silvanus, just as Peter and John were greater than Thaddaeus or Simon the Cananean. But Thaddaeus and Simon were disciples of Jesus in the very same sense as Peter and John; and the Twelve and Paul were not more truly apostles than others who are mentioned in the New Testament. If apostleship denotes missionary service, and if its reality, as Paul suggests, is to be measured by its seals, it would be difficult to maintain that Matthias was an apostle par excellence, while Barnabas was not. Paul sets Barnabas as an apostle side by side with himself (1 Cor. 9:5f; Galatians 2:9; compare Acts 13:2f; Acts 14:4, 14); he speaks of Andronicus and Junias as "of note among the apostles" (Romans 16:7); he appears to include Apollos along with himself among the apostles who are made a spectacle unto the world and to angels and to men (1 Cor. 4:6, 9); the natural inference from a comparison of 1 Thes. 1:1 with 2:6 is that he describes Silvanus and Timothy as "apostles of Christ"; to the Philippians he mentions Epaphroditus as "your apostle" (Phil. 2:25 the Revised Version, margin), and to the Corinthians commends certain unknown brethren as "the apostles of the churches" and "the glory of Christ" (2 Cor. 8:23 the Revised Version, margin). And the very fact that he found it necessary to denounce certain persons as "false apostles, deceitful workers, fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ" (2 Cor. 11:13) shows that there was no thought in the primitive church of restricting the apostleship to a body of 12 or 13 men. "Had the number been definitely restricted, the claims of these interlopers would have been self-condemned" (Lightfoot, Galatians, 97).

you're still not on that list

and neither is anyone else today.

You see, zone, the difference between you and me is that you search for scriptures on the Internet that are already prefabricated and twisted to your taste. You never bother actually reading the actual scriptures to search out the rest of the facts. The bible says to show yourself approved to be able to rightly handle the word of truth. Scanning the Internet is hardly rightly handling God's truth. That's why such people are termed "Internet theologians", because all they know is what they see on the Internet.

oh i know.
you're an ordained pastor who went to seminary and learned greek and hebrew and knows church history and all that.
and you hear directly from God Himself. i just read the bible.

i'm just an old internet hack sitting here making stuff up.

did ya have any of those prophecies for us yet?

Some of us would rather use Bible commentaries, encyclopedias, and dictionaries.

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
3. The Wider Circle:
It is sometimes said by those who recognize that there were other apostles besides the Twelve and Paul that the latter (to whom some, on the ground of 1 Cor. 15:7; Galatians 1:19.......etc

did you type all that out by hand using the printed book beside you, including inserting the HOTLINKS?
or did you get that off the internet?

the scriptures say what they say.
you're not an apostle nor a prophet. if you are, let's see evidence of da gifs.

heal multitudes with your shadow....got anything yet? at all? or just defense?
if you had anything you'd have offered it.

no, you're pentecostal pastor who thinks the miraculous languages was nonsense muttering, with fake interpretations.
fake words from God out of your own ego and imagination.

and you, dear stephen...know it.

Here we go again.................. with your psychological projection, stating I'm the one who has the problem, that I'm the one not listening to scripture. Don't think you can flip that on me, I know better.
Urban Dictionary: psychological projection

1. Projection is the psychological phenomenon where someone thinks everyone else is doing and thinking what they are. It is usually seen as the externalisation of a person's negative traits, placing blame on an outside force such as the environment, a government, a society or other people.
2. Projection can also extend to philosophy and knowledge. This occurs when a person or small group of people assume that everyone else is working with the same ideas and/or information that they are. When this fails to happen, however, it can lead to pluralistic ignorance. A telltale sign of this is when a speaker says that "Everybody knows that...(a certain course of action)" is either beneficial or harmful, so society should avoid an impending catastrophe by following the course of action that the speaker proposes.
3. Another common forum for projection is in internet arguments, where it is usually pathetically obvious to everyone except the projector. The problem is recognized in intelligence analysis, in the form of cognitive traps for intelligence analysis.

oh my.
still on the Narcissism-Jezebel kick?

who not just produce the prophecies and miracles?
it would be so much easier.

btw: did you get that definition off the internet by typing in the buzzword : projecting?

 

[Stephen63]

Does not matter if they do or not. It still has it's roots in humanism and was started by an atheist. Why any Christian would use secular humanism is beyond me.

Why anyone would believe in cessationism is beyond me too, since it's just as secular because it's not biblical at all.

 

[zone]

Why anyone would believe in cessationism is beyond me too, since it's just as secular because it's not biblical at all.

POST THE REAL GIFTS!

easy peasy.
just do it.

if ya can. but ya can't.

 

[1still_waters]

All sides seem to possibly be hitting an emotional climax here that is often repeated.
If I'm correct, and things are about to spiral out of control, please step away, collect your nerves and come back when all is under control.

If my observations are incorrect, then carry on.

 

[SarahM777]

Gee SarahM777, but it is all right to say the gifts of the Spirit is no longer is necessary for the church, when Jesus himself spoke about them, and then tell us this is God's way now. You are doing exactly what you blame others of doing.

You just keep projecting the blame on everybody else. It's everybody else but you and your pack.

UMM You forget where I was. I was AOG for a number of years and again what I saw was the very much the same as what has been shown. I have been open to the fact if ANYONE CAN SHOW THE REAL AND NOT THE FAKE it would change my mind. I have been wrong before,I came to the point of believing I was wrong about continuation because of all the garbage. I became convinced of this also because so often what I have seen is often many who come out of some of those churches have NOT SHOWN THE FRUITS of the spirit. It is for us to show the same love Jesus had for the woman at the well,(The one shacking up with someone other then her husband),the woman caught in adultery,the thief on the cross,the gays,the lesbians,the transgender. All those people that somehow a lot of those Bible believing,Holy Ghost baptized people would never,ever give the time of day to and would much rather throw an anchor on them and condem them to hell. Never mind showing them the very savior that came to save them too. Never mind the fact that Jesus spread His hands,and took those same nails for them also. Go ahead and tell me that is what Jesus told us to do.

That is the part that is so often lacking,showing the love of Jesus,showing them our savior, to transform hearts,minds and souls to bring them into the kingdom.