Speaking in tongues

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

zone said:

Oh come on now zone! I happen to think very highly of you.

Don't you even know how much you have been a blessing to me?

I have spoken elsewhere about my father being a both a claimed Lutheran and a very vocal atheist.

That soured me on Lutherans and so I have a sister-in-law who is Lutheran that I have refused to even listen to for many years. But because of you I have a new found respect for Lutherans.

Please, I beg you, do not take me the wrong way. I have a great deal of appreciation and affection toward you. You even remind of my cousin Violet from Niangua Missouri by your spunky nature, whom I dearly miss.

zone · May 19, 2013

SarahM777 said:

they don't.

zone · May 19, 2013

kardiaoangelous said:

ha? i live in canada.
i have no idea about your friends in Missouri.

i don't do mystic.
i do Bible.

okay?
sorry for cluttering your thoughts.

carrying on.....

JaumeJ · May 19, 2013

How is it I can say the following, and I am saying it. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. He has come in the flesh, He lived, suffered and died for my sins and the sins of all who call upon Him in spirit and truth. His blood has cleansed me of all sin. He is Lord and Savior of all who are saved. Praise Jesus Christ, my Holy Savior, amen

Are you washed in His Blood? Do you confess with your lips and your life that Jesus Christ is Lord? Can you? I do, amen.

SarahM777 · May 19, 2013

zone said:

Zone,

I know I can never go back,see one of the problems I really have with this is my sister was AOG and they never caught her with her false dreams,visions and prophecies. Part of the reason I was sucked in by her. So the question is how come they never caught that what she was saying was not from God? How come no one up to that point found out she was a false prophetess if they have the Holy Spirit leading them? Not one of these questions can lead me to the answer that they are actually listening to God. I can only conclude that they really aren't listening to God. They only think they are.

SarahM777 · May 19, 2013

zone said:

I know you know that but do they? And does it ever cross their mind? (I wonder)

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

zone said:

Well thank you for that clarification. I did assume that you might be from Missouri, both because in your signature you have "The LUTHERAN CHURCH Missouri Synod", and because regardless of where you live you sure do exhibit that Missouri spunk.

Missouri's state animal is the mule and they proudly boast about how they can kick. They also call it "the show me" state. They frequently will say, "Well, I am from Missouri, so you are going to have to show me that before i believe you." And I have noted you say, "show me", quite often.

An innocent mistake. But (affectionately said) you sure would make a good Missouri mule. LOL.

SarahM777 · May 19, 2013

kardiaoangelous said:

What just because the synod leadership is LOCATED in MO,does not mean there aren't Lutheran Church Missouri synod churches elsewhere. (It goes for WI synod also) I don't live in MO either and I am of the same church as Zone.

zone · May 19, 2013

[h=1]Azusa Street Revival[/h]
In a skeptical front-page story titled "Weird Babel of Tongues",[17] a Los Angeles Times reporter attempted to describe what would soon be known as the Azusa Street Revival. "Breathing strange utterances and mouthing a creed which it would seem no sane mortal could understand", the story began, "the newest religious sect has started in Los Angeles".[20] Another local paper reporter in September 1906 described the happenings with the following words:

.....they cry and make howling noises all day and into the night. They run, jump, shake all over, shout to the top of their voice, spin around in circles, fall out on the sawdust blanketed floor jerking, kicking and rolling all over it. Some of them pass out and do not move for hours as though they were dead. These people appear to be mad, mentally deranged or under a spell. They claim to be filled with the spirit. They have a one eyed, illiterate, Negro as their preacher who stays on his knees much of the time with his head hidden between the wooden milk crates. He doesn't talk very much but at times he can be heard shouting, 'Repent,' and he's supposed to be running the thing... They repeatedly sing the same song, 'The Comforter Has Come.'[3]

The attenders of the meetings were often described as "Holy Rollers", "Holy Jumpers", "Tangled Tonguers" and "Holy Ghosters". Reports were published throughout the U.S. and the world of the strange happenings in Los Angeles.[12]

Christians from many traditions were critical, saying the movement was hyper-emotional, misused Scripture and lost focus on Christ by overemphasizing the Holy Spirit.[10] Within a short time ministers were warning their congregations to stay away from the Azusa Street Mission. Some called the police and tried to get the building shut down.[11]

Azusa Street Revival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

THE APOSTOLIC FAITH newsletter:

Pentecost Has Come 1906 AD

THE APOSTLE PETER:

the day of Pentecost arrived 30 AD

which is true?

SeekingJC · May 19, 2013

So question, I looked up a LOT about tongues both in scripture and on the net of modern day stuff. And to me they don't match. The gift of tongues at Pentecost was to enable the apostles to speak to all nations, right? The stuff I've seen in modern day tongue speaking is just babbling. Wouldn't a true biblical tongue speaker be able to speak and understand a foreign language that they did not study? For that matter wouldn't they know ALL foreign languages? That's how I read it in scripture I'm still unclear if the gifts stopped or not as some believe but even if they didnt it doesn't seem the gifts of tongues between then and now are the same. Why is that?

SarahM777 · May 19, 2013

zone said:

I'll go with Peter.

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

SarahM777 said:

Well sure, but it was the combination of things I observed about her personality, I guess somewhat also as a reflection of how I sorely miss my loved ones who yet live there in Missouri.

Quite normally human, wouldn't you say?

Actually, the main reason i brought it up as a possibility was because i see so many so very intolerant of others personalities. So I thought that might help some to see how silly it is to be that way. We can find reasons to love and play down the fist of others if we love enough.

zone · May 19, 2013

SarahM777 said:

hehehe....well, more precisely as recorded by Luke (as you knew

).

but Peter said:

Acts 2
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel

this is.
right then.
that Day.

not in 1906.

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

Think not that those who believe in tongues unknow to any human aren't pushing their belief heavily right now. There are three threads dedicated to it on the first page of threads right now.

Does anyone understand what it means, Revelation 2:16 "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth"?

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

SeekingJC said:

In the initialization period of the church they needed that special outpouring to help the church take a strong root in the earth. That is why God poured it out so heavily at that time.

The church would not had broken through all the language barriers in Paul's day if that gift did not follow them through God's gift to some of them.

Today we do not need such a gift as the church has pretty much broken through the world's language barriers. Yet there are places in the world where opposition repressed that from happening. And in those places as God tumbles that opposition, he does bless a very small number helping them to learn the necessary language, just not as a sign so outwardly observable to be a miracle of the Holy Spirit, as those newly entered peoples have the whole body of Christ's established church already well established here in the earth.

Now, does that sound like I am a mystic?

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

JaumeJ said:

If you do not learn the love that Paul teaches as known to him by the sprit of God due to your failure to see that all he writes about really translates to how that love is to be shown, missing seeing how he says that is done because of twisting what he speaks about, then, apart from knowing God's true love and knowing in reality only your own emotional brand of love, then:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Messenger_T · May 19, 2013

You know the miracle at Pentecost was when they spoke and everyone hward it in thheir own tongue. Saying when one man spoke, people of many "tongues" heard it in their own tongue. Anyone ever seen this? And if so had an interpreter translate ALL of the languages? I would think this is a miracle even without the interpreter.

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

I will proudly boast, as so many others see fit to boast in what they think they know of Paul, I am intimately acquainted with him.

And I tell you for a fact that if you see him as speaking law, then to you only will it be that he seems to be speaking only law.

And if you see only that he speaks of grace over law, then to you only will it be that he seems to be speaking only grace over law.

For neither of those are Paul's main focus. He wrote more about the love of God than any other NT Bible writer. But even if you manage to see that, you will not manage to see that all he wrote translates to how God's love is shown.

You must approach everything and anything that Paul wrote, consciously remembering to grasp the love he speaks about within it.

Or no way do you know Paul.

SeekingJC · May 19, 2013

That would make sense to me if they were speaking in an actual language they didn't study but needed to spread the gospel. That to me lines up biblically. I read a study by University of Penn that claimed that the frontal lobe (the vocal center of the brain) was not active when a person spoke in tongues. However I did some research and saw the MRI scan which were identical the first was the person praying in English and the next was them speaking in tongues. I did more research the authors of the study are devoted Christians who have both been on record as saying speaking in tongues is a great gift. We're they really going to disprove their own belief? So much for objective...

kardiaoangelous · May 19, 2013

Messenger_T said:

Yes, there at Pentecost that outpouring of gifts was entirely complete as it needed to be to get the church off to a strong start.

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