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zone

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"an ethnographic hermeneutic"

Is your ability to think critically really that compromised?
Greece and the Roman Empire didn't exist in Daniel's day either. That doesn't change the fact that he prophesied of them.
The historical fact of the matter is that the Roman Empire of John's day was conquered by the Islamic First Jihad in 639.
639! wow.
right about the same time the Khazars converted to Talmudic Judaism! 'magine that!
their kings were the Kagans - (that sounds like but is not and has nothing to do with Cohens:) - Herod destroyed all records in 68AD so ain't nobody can make any claim to being israelites...didn't ya know JESUS MEANT WHAT HE SAID?)

anyways, now they are now 90% of world jewry - Ashkenazim.

dey wuz gentiles - never israelites, and after conversion (from phallic worship animism and shamanism), they still practiced a religion that is occult, pagan and has zippola to do with Moses; the prophets or Jesus > JUDAISM.

The Khazar religious structure centered around a shamanism known as Tengri, which incorporated the worship of spirits and the sky as well as zoolatry, the worship of animals. Tengri was also the name of their "immortal god who created the world," and the primary animal sacrifices made to this deity were horses.
Bury, J. B., A History of the Eastern Roman Empire, p. 120.

and, Pete... the surrounding peoples of the region before the fall of Jewish Khazaria and their dispersal to the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH :rolleyes:ALL said the Khazars were antichrist - both before and after their conversion (usury; slavers; violent; extortionists, etc).

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the Gazari, or Khazars, dwelt "in the lands of Gog and Magog." - Druthmar of Aquitaine, Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam
Omeljan Pritsak, The Khazar Kingdom's Conversion to Judaism, Harvard Ukrainian Studies 3:2 (Sept, 1978): 271.

the Khazars were so belligerent and hostile that they were eventually run out of Asia and scattered amongst the nations of Eastern Europe. - Benjamin H. Freedman, 1961, Washington, D.C.

the "terrifying people of Gog and Magog." - Heinrich von Neustadt, c. 1300

Andrew C. Gow, The Red Jews (Leiden, Netherlands: E. J. Brill, 1995), pp. 40-41.
Brook, The Jews of Khazaria, p. 10. Andrew C. Gow, The Red Jews (Leiden, Netherlands: E. J. Brill, 1995), p. 191.
Brook, The Jews of Khazaria, pp. 10-11.

Muslim history recalls the Khazar raids and the terror of those inhabiting that land. To this day they call the Caspian, Bahr-ul-Khazar -- "the Khazar Sea."
Tirmidhee, Abwaab al-Tafseer: Surat al-Kahf (Hadith 5160), 8/597-99; Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan, (Hadith 4080), 2/1364. Ahmad, Musnad, 2/510, 511.

"These people are vigorous and courageous and when they descend on open ground, none can escape from them without being destroyed and their women taken possession of, and themselves taken into slavery."
Macartney, C. A., The Magyars in the Ninth Century (Cambridge, 1930).

"When the bek [the Khazar head of the military and second in command only to the Kagan himself] sends out a body of troops, they do not in any circumstances retreat. If they are defeated, every one who returns to him is killed....Sometimes he cuts every one of them in two and crucifies them and sometimes he hangs them by the neck from trees."
Douglas M. Dunlop, The History of the Jewish Khazars, p. 113.






Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews

(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013

PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.

The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.

Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.

According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Moslem conquest of 638 AD.

They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.

But detractors say this idea is implausible.

Barring a miracle --which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested -- the scenario would have been demographically impossible.

It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.

That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.

Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.

Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group's geographical origins.

Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.

Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.

The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory -- the "Khazarian Hypothesis."

Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.

They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.

But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.

The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the "Khazarian Hypothesis."

"We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans," says Elhaik.

"Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan."

Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.

But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars' conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.

"Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language" before being reclassified as High German, he notes.

Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.

The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.

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I see. Bible prophecy isn't about the Holy Land and God's people, but about Mexico because it is one of the most dangerous places on earth. Congratulations on such a scholarly approach to bible study Zone! Should we be surprised that you are a partial preterist punitive supersesionist, in the mold of so many anti-Semitic Popes, who wanted to bend scripture to their will as well.
what does the Holy Land and God's people have to do with the Khazars, Pete? God's people are called Christians:)
you can find Gog and Magog in prophecy though.
use your racist "an ethnographic hermeneutic".
see what ya come up with.

"their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." [making the satanically perverted term] "anti-Semitism" "void of meaning"
Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe, p. 179-80.

paraphrasing Jewish Koestler - this makes the modern Jew, currently occupying Palestine antisemitic -- an historical mockery of somewhat amazing proportions.
Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe, p. 17.

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LOVE HURTS, PETE:)
specially when ya got pwnd.


You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns*
When they all come down and did tricks for you*
You never understood that it ain't no good*
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you*
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat*
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat*
Ain't it hard when you discover that*
He really wasn't where it's at*
After he took from you everything he could steal.*

How does it feel*
How does it feel*
To be on your own*
With no direction home*
Like a complete unknown*
Like a rolling stone?*


ttyl.
:rolleyes:

why not just PREACH THE GOSPEL TO ALL NATIONS (GENTILES), INCLUDING THE KHAZARS AND GIVE THANKS TO GOD.
 
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"their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." [making the satanically perverted term] "anti-Semitism" "void of meaning"
Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe, p. 179-80.

paraphrasing Jewish Koestler - this makes the modern Jew, currently occupying Palestine antisemitic -- an historical mockery of somewhat amazing proportions.
Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe, p. 17.
Israel enacts law allowing authorities to detain illegal migrants for up to 3 years

Until now, migrants caught by IDF have been transferred to the Saharonim detention facility in the south; Interior Minister says migrants do not recognize that Israel 'belongs to the white man.'

Meanwhile on Sunday, Israeli daily Maariv published an interview with Interior Minister Eli Yishai, in which he stated that most of the "Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man."

"I will continue the struggle until the end of my term, with no compramises," Yishai continued, stating that he would use "all the tools to expel the foreigners, until not one infiltrator remains."

Israel enacts law allowing authorities to detain illegal migrants for up to 3 years Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper < click


i know it's hard to concentrate Pete.
but are you beginning to see the truth?
g'head....whip out Ayran crackpot Hitler again.
we need to examine what really happened in WW2.
don't worry...i'll document everything for you.
since you're off in the ditch.

k.....take care Pete.
 
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UMMM, If that is a map of the Islamic First Jihad where is the rest of the Roman Empire included during John's day? IE most of the rest of Europe?




Where is Britain,France,
Italy,Greece,Albania,the Slavic Nations along the Mediterranean,Turkey and parts of Germany?

(To be historically accurate those countries would need to be included and Italy for sure as Rome was the CAPITAL of the Empire)


I wasn't aware that John lived in all those countries! That they were a part of John's sphere, or that they were the focus of bible prophecy.

Rev 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Do you really think bible prophecy is centered around France and Britain? Rather than trying to think about it, you are doing little more than knee-jerk reacting, through doctrine induced resistance.

Babylon wasn't seated in those countries either. Nor is the Roman Empire even mentioned in the description of the beast of Revelation 13.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

No 4th "dreadful" beast in that description is there. Now consider the seats in the succession of Daniel and John's kingdom beasts. Babylon/Iraq - Medo-Persia/Iran - ancient Greece/Syria/Lebanon:

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It will help me tailor my replies if you can tell me which pop Roman Church Jesuit counter-reformation invention you have been indoctrinated to believe, whether 17th century Jesuit Luis Alcazar's partial preterism or 16th century Jesuit Francisco Ribera's futurism, and if you can open your eyes I can maybe help you begin to overcome it, through the traditional historicist approach:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/62613-division-body-christ-temple-god.html
 
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I heard that the older brother when he went back to his homeland after beating his girlfriend only then started to research Islam.
Come on, my friend, he was raised in Islam. He is a Muslim, just as the rest of his family are. So he was just getting his Islamic groove on.

Tabari I:280 Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of the world menstruate and are stupid.

Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will...


Sura (4:34) -Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.


Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

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Though there is a lower rate of women committing adultery in Islamic countries.

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And as long as women remain useful, men don't have to divorce them by repeating "I divorce you" three times - even by text message on a phone.

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Get this... he only started to learn Arabic. The moslems have a thing when the Koran should be read in Arabic.

I have no doubt he's the product of some warped terrorist Moslems, but he sounds like he was an intellectual nobody that could barely read Arabic and only started to get serious about religion recently.

The whole religion thing was a way for this loser to enact his psychopathic fantasies.

The ignorance of his own religion .......
Come on, he was raised following one of the most consummate - and conveniently self-admitted - terrorists in human history. A good young Muslim boy doing as Muhammad did and commanded his followers to do:

Qur'an 33:26 "
Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."


...... reminds me of that televangelist Jim Bakker who first read the bible in prison after his Church failed. This was a guy who went to Bible college even!!!!! Jim Bakker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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It will help me tailor my replies if you can tell me which pop Roman Church Jesuit counter-reformation invention you have been indoctrinated to believe, whether 17th century Jesuit Luis Alcazar's partial preterism or 16th century Jesuit Francisco Ribera's futurism, and if you can open your eyes I can maybe help you begin to overcome it, through the traditional historicist approach:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/62613-division-body-christ-temple-god.html
Sorry,

I have never heard of those guys before. I am not Catholic either. My question is where in the Bible does God ever call any other nation a whore other then Israel? Jerusalem is built on seven hills.

Do you honestly believe that a "Jew" will bow down to the Muslim leader called the "maud dhib" and call him the Messiah? Or will a "Jew" only bow down to a man claiming to be a "Jew" from the tribe of Judah,from the line of David as their King? Please explain how that will even be possible for a Jew expecting a Jewish King and not a gentile ruler.
 
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Sorry,

I have never heard of those guys before.


That isn't unusual. Most futurists and partial preterists choose to remain ignorant as to the history of the approach to bible prophecy they have been indoctrinated into.

I am not Catholic either.


Neither are the rest of the protesta
nt futurists and partial preterists. Those Jesuit doctrines were invented to fool the Reformers, however they weren't fooled.

My question is where in the Bible does God ever call any other nation a whore other then Israel? Jerusalem is built on seven hills.

Do you honestly believe that a "Jew" will bow down to the Muslim leader called the "maud dhib" and call him the Messiah? Or will a "Jew" only bow down to a man claiming to be a "Jew" from the tribe of Judah,from the line of David as their King? Please explain how that will even be possible for a Jew expecting a Jewish King and not a gentile ruler.
Besides the Jews that have been coming to Christ throughout the Christian era both inside and outside of the Holy Land:

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

OK, so then it is Jesuit Luis Alcazar's partial preterism, as exhibited by the punitive supersessionism it breeds, as evidenced by your anti-semitism. You may not be Roman Catholic, but you certainly share the heart of no shortage of Roman Church Popes:
Replacement Theology or Supersessionism
You've got no shortage of fellow fruit in your anti-Zionist tree either!:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301
I imagine you'd go for most any theology that helps advance your hatred of Jews, eigh?
 
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For any Jew hating supersessionists in this forum, that have deluded themselves into believing that is a way of standing up for Jesus, the scriptures may suggest you will be in for a rude awakening.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hatred results in separation from God forever, though I doubt that's the kind of thing that matters to most of the fruit in the anti-Zionist tree.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
 
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OK, so then it is Jesuit Luis Alcazar's partial preterism, as exhibited by the punitive supersessionism it breeds, as evidenced by your anti-semitism. You may not be Roman Catholic, but you certainly share the heart of no shortage of Roman Church Popes:
Replacement Theology or Supersessionism
You've got no shortage of fellow fruit in your anti-Zionist tree either!:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301
I imagine you'd go for most any theology that helps advance your hatred of Jews, eigh?
Just because I do not agree with you does not make one an anti semite. I do not hate the Jews. I hate ALL ethnic cleansing. I hate it when people use to force either way as a means to an end. I disagree with a lot of things that are being done in the name of Israel and the Jews. Jesus was born Jewish. UMM and aren't Arabs also semites? So if one also hates the Arabs doesn't that make one an anti semite? Both sides are guilty of many things,but to place all the blame on the Arabs is so far from the truth. I can see the overview,can you? To say the Palestinians are completely innocent is not true either.

And either it's true that the Jews are looking for a King to come from David's line or they are not. What does that have to do with hate? And yes many have come to Christ,but those who have not hate both Him and us,and should we be blind to that fact? And yes I have received hatred from Jews. First I'm Christian and I am also of Germanic background. Even though my family was not in Germany at the time of WWII. (My great grandparents were here BEFORE WWI) So yeah I have gotten it just because and no other real reason.

Why are you lying about me just because I disagree with you?
 

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I wasn't aware that John lived in all those countries! That they were a part of John's sphere, or that they were the focus of bible prophecy.

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Do you really think bible prophecy is centered around France and Britain? Rather than trying to think about it, you are doing little more than knee-jerk reacting, through doctrine induced resistance.

Babylon wasn't seated in those countries either. Nor is the Roman Empire even mentioned in the description of the beast of Revelation 13.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot was Jerusalem old boy.
like it or lump it:)

and the beast was Rome & the Herods (Caesars ruling over all nations surrounding Jerusalem round about, Herods ruling over Judea) - a great red dragon (Satan), with seven heads (Herods) and ten horns (caesars), and on his heads seven diadems.

like it or lump it.


Revelation 12
The Woman and the Dragon

1And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

Satan Thrown Down to Earth
7Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothersa has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.


okay! lets see where JOHN starts describing the HORRIBLE ISLAMIC BEAST:rolleyes: from Rev 13 - or......lets see if Herod (king of the jews) energized by satan and authorized by Rome is the focus of that beastly passage.


Matthew 2
The Visit of the Wise Men

1Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise mena from the east came to Jerusalem, 2saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it roseb and have come to worship him.” 3When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; 4and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet:

6 “‘And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for from you shall come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’”

7Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared. 8And he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, “Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word, that I too may come and worship him.” 9After listening to the king, they went on their way. And behold, the star that they had seen when it rose went before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was. 10When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy. 11And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. 12And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country by another way.

The Flight to Egypt
13Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

Herod Kills the Children
16Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men. 17Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:

18 “A voice was heard in Ramah,
weeping and loud lamentation,
Rachel weeping for her children;
she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”

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so what did we see....:rolleyes:

this Woman brought forth a man child; so in the fullness of time God sent His Son made of a woman, Gal. 4:4.

the Dragon lays in wait for the Woman’s child; so Herod sought to kill Christ as soon as He was born.

the Woman with eagle’s wings flies into the wilderness; so Mary, being admonished of God, fled with the child into the deserts of Egypt, Matt. 2:13.

the Woman was sustained there and kept 1260 days; so Mary remained in Egypt nearly four years until Herod’s death.

the Dragon cast forth a flood of waters after the Woman to devour her; so Herod after Mary’s flight murdered all the male infants in Bethlehem, two years old and younger, that he might slay the woman’s child.

the child of the Woman was caught up into Heaven, unto the throne of God, and made the ruler of all nations; so Christ having finished the work of our redemption, ascended into Heaven, and is sitting on the throne of the Father, having all power in Heaven and earth.


FULFILLED.
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makes much more sense than your hokey Geller muslim- hate-fest....prolly because that whole passage is historical.
you dont have A CLUE what Revelation says; how it reads; or what it is for.


and btw:

The Flight to Egypt
13Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you,for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

FULFILLED

All essential factors in the history of Israel point to this as their end, and thereby become types and material prophecies of the life of Him in whom the reconciliation of man to God was to be realized, and the union of God with the human race to be developed into a personal unity. It is in this sense that the second half of our verse is quoted in Matthew 2:15 as a prophecy of Christ, not because the words of the prophet refer directly and immediately to Christ, but because the sojourn in Egypt, and return out of that land, had the same significance in relation to the development of the life of Jesus Christ, as it had to the nation of Israel. Just as Israel grew into a nation in Egypt, where it was out of the reach of Canaanitish ways, so was the child Jesus hidden in Egypt from the hostility of Herod. But Hosea 11:2 is attached thus as an antithesis: this love of its God was repaid by Israel with base apostasy. קראוּ, they, viz., the prophets (cf. Hosea 11:7; 2 Kings 17:13; Jeremiah 7:25; Jeremiah 25:4; Zechariah 1:4), called to them, called the Israelites to the Lord and to obedience to Him; but they (the Israelites) went away from their countenance, would not hearken to the prophets, or come to the Lord (Jeremiah 2:31). The thought is strengthened by כּן, with the כּאשׁר of the protasis omitted (Ewald, 360, a): as the prophets called, so the Israelites drew back from them, and served idols. בּעלים as in Hosea 2:15, and פּסלים as in 2 Kings 17:41 and Deuteronomy 7:5, Deuteronomy 7:25 (see at Exodus 20:4).
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament


Matthew 2
17Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:

18 “A voice was heard in Ramah,
weeping and loud lamentation,
Rachel weeping for her children;
she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”


Jeremiah 31:15
This is what the LORD says: "A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more."

FULFILLED:) way up there in chapter 31 in Jeremiah! oopsie for you.


tsk...didnt see Islam in there.

except maybe those CHOSEN eastern Magi who worshipped the King of Israel as a baby, and didnt tell killer-hater Herod the so-called-king of the jews anything about it.


k...you are welcome Pete.
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For any Jew hating supersessionists in this forum, that have deluded themselves into believing that is a way of standing up for Jesus, the scriptures may suggest you will be in for a rude awakening.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hatred results in separation from God forever, though I doubt that's the kind of thing that matters to most of the fruit in the anti-Zionist tree.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
wow you are desperate!
using Matthew 7:22....and 1 John 3:15.
Matt isnt about people who don`t hop in the sack with the Pharisees.
and you havent obeyed 1 John since you got here.
did you EVER apologize for circulating ARAB-hate lying propaganda photos yet.

why not....

christ-hating jews arent my brothers (in the sense John meant...he was talking about christians buddy) any more than islamic jihadists are.
neither are xtian zionist fake christian traitors.

but they could be though....just REPENT.
 
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Just because I do not agree with you does not make one an anti semite. I do not hate the Jews. I hate ALL ethnic cleansing. I hate it when people use to force either way as a means to an end.
I understand. You hate it when the Israelis have to resort to force to defend the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims, afforded them by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, to defend Israeli citizens from the Islamic aggressors conquest of Israel (and the rest of the world) who desire to convert Israel as well as the rest of the world into just another Middle Eastern Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.
I hate ALL ethnic cleansing. I hate it when people use to force either way as a means to an end. I disagree with a lot of things that are being done in the name of Israel and the Jews. Jesus was born Jewish. UMM and aren't Arabs also semites? So if one also hates the Arabs doesn't that make one an anti semite? Both sides are guilty of many things,but to place all the blame on the Arabs is so far from the truth.


It isn't about Arabs and Jews. It is about the 1400 year goal of Islamic conquest and peaceful Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs that simply want to be left alone in peace to continue to be productive citizens.

Wikipedia article regarding secular Arabs: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"

I can see the overview,can you? To say the Palestinians ........


I can see that you drank the kool aid of Satan's renaming the land of Israel as Palestine and how it has blinded you to the nature of the conflict. Please consider this related thread and decide if you want to call it by the name that God gave it, or the name that a satanically driven 2nd century Roman ruled named it:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine-24.html#post998960

are completely innocent is not true either.

And either it's true that the Jews are looking for a King to come from David's line or they are not. What does that have to do with hate? And yes many have come to Christ,but those who have not hate both Him and us,
..........


Scripture should help you understand the state of a Jew that hates Jesus, but you are blinded by the bigotry that springs from your theology.

1Cr 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

It is your anti-Semitic bigotry that arises from Roman Church styled punitive supersessionism, that causes you to declare that all Jews are the same, whether a reprobate Hollywood movie producer, or a faithful Jews that worships our God YHWH through our Old Testament scriptures, and whose lives revolve around their temples and faith based communities whe MAY remain blinded to the Gospel through a sovereign act of God.
SPIRIT OF SLUMBER
Your post even tacitly suggests that you believe some Jew that hates Jesus, would be the same one that suddenly turns around and recognizes Jesus as his Messiah and Savior, while I doubt that is often - if ever - the case.

and should we be blind to that fact? And yes I have received hatred from Jews. First I'm Christian and I am also of Germanic background. Even though my family was not in Germany at the time of WWII.


And that bothers you, even as you yourself generalize all Jews into a monolithic group. All they did is what you are doing.

(My great grandparents were here BEFORE WWI) So yeah I have gotten it just because and no other real reason.

Why are you lying about me just because I disagree with you?
You might wish to believe you don't hate Jews, but you really need to ask yourself what makes you so willing to come to the defense of the imperialistic conquest of false prophet Muhammad's cult, by writing as though Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs are equally at fault, for wanting to defend the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State offers to all Israeli citizens from Islamic aggression. A democratic state where Muslims also enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth.
JIHAD
 
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wow you are desperate!
using Matthew 7:22....and 1 John 3:15.
Matt isnt about people who don`t hop in the sack with the Pharisees.
and you havent obeyed 1 John since you got here.
did you EVER apologize for circulating ARAB-hate lying propaganda photos yet.
Your mind seems to be lapsing into complete dysfunction now. Of course I apologized about posting a photo from a false report that is as easy to believe as the other 20,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11. Particularly in Nigeria, which was the area referenced in the false report:
nigeriacalabash.com
I even gave you a great big "thank you" because had it not been for that error, my web page would still begin with the report of on incident, as if any one Islamic terror attack - like the Boston Marathon terror attack - is any different than any other terror attack. I thanked you here, and you replied afterwards, yet now you are pretending like it never happened:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine-22.html#post994974
The webpage is a lot more effective now:
JIHAD

It isn't like we have to look far for graphic photos of the murder, mayhem and misery of the global conquest of the false prophet Muhammad's cult. Whether the thousands of Christians killed and churches burned in Nigeria or Malaysia or the 105,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world every year - mainly by the hand of Muhammad's true followers - with videos of Sunnis beating to death an Ahmadiyya Muslims, or Arab Muslim genocide of their fellow black Muslims throughout Africa as in the 2 million killed or displaced in the Sudan alone. What a wonderful world it would be with Islam in control!

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"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

True followers doing as Muhammad indicated: Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #137: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."


No surprise you post just another false accusation and bald-faced lie, just as prophesied in 2 Timothy for these latter days.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine-22.html#post994974

christ-hating jews arent my brothers (in the sense John meant...he was talking about christians buddy) any more than islamic jihadists are.
neither are xtian zionist fake christian traitors.

but they could be though....just REPENT.
 
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I can see that you drank the kool aid of Satan's renaming the land of Israel as Palestine and how it has blinded you to the nature of the conflict. Please consider this related thread and decide if you want to call it by the name that God gave it, or the name that a satanically driven 2nd century Roman ruled named it:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine-24.html#post998960




You might wish to believe you don't hate Jews, but you really need to ask yourself what makes you so willing to come to the defense of the imperialistic conquest of false prophet Muhammad's cult, by writing as though Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs are equally at fault, for wanting to defend the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State offers to all Israeli citizens from Islamic aggression. A democratic state where Muslims also enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth.
JIHAD
For someone who doesn't know me very well you sure have a lot of accusations,half truths and outright lies about me. It appears you do not really wish to discuss it or to possibly see that there may very well be a different perspective in which one can get the whole truth instead of half truths,lies and innuendos.

Please stop drinking this and use the God given gray matter the Lord has given you.





Use this instead it's better for you :)

 
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For someone who doesn't know me very well you sure have a lot of accusations,half truths and outright lies about me. It appears you do not really wish to discuss it or to possibly see that there may very well be a different perspective in which one can get the whole truth instead of half truths,lies and innuendos.


Then why do you suppose you reduced yourself to lodging hollow empty accusation, rather than addressing the content of the post point by point and backing up your accusations against me?

And yes many have come to Christ,but those who have not hate both Him and us,
Are you suggesting that by viewing all Jews who haven't yet come to Christ, as a monolithic group that hate Jesus and Christians (of which I can assure you that none my Jewish friends (both secular and YHWH worshiping) do either one of which you falsely accuse), you are not doing the very same as those Jews you mentioned, who looked at you as they would a Nazi, because you are German?

Please stop drinking this and use the God given gray matter the Lord has given you.




Use this instead it's better for you :)

 
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Just remember that these attacks are blatantly evil. No one is deceived by Islam, except the Muslims themselves.
Unfortunately that couldn't be further from the reality, whether in the politically correct Godless world and governments, and even much of the "church".
RELIGIOUS PLURALISM

Falling Away or Apostasy

I inquired of BishopSEH in this post:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/62105-apocrypha.html#post991205

CATHOLIC LIBRARY: Nostra Aetate (1965)
Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions
The Second Vatican Council
Promulgated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI
October 28, 1965
Paul, Bishop, Servant of the Servants of God, together with the Fathers of the Sacred Council. For Everlasting Memory.

3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself, merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth (5), who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes great pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgement when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting."

My question is how could those guys have all gotten that so wrong?

How is 1.5 billion people that follow THE false prophet Muhammad, that are required to DISBELIEVE the crucifixion of Christ, DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood AS ARTICLES OF FAITH in Muhammad alone, who prostrate themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad, "submitting wholeheartedly to even his inscrutable decrees" (the God of the Bible's decrees).
Much less that this same 1/4 of mankind is obligated to travel to that black stone idol, march around it 7 times, and engage in several other Quraish pagan rituals, including running back and forth between two hills seven times as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did - ashaving anything whatsoever to do with the "inscrutable decrees" of the God of the Jews and Christians?
Let alone that the same 1.5 billion people are commanded to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people, to DISBELIEVING the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood.

Shouldn't those guys be expected to investigate things before they issue decrees?
How could they get so wrong, when Islam has been the enemy of God's people, for 1400 years?
Isn't encouraging 1/4 of mankind to continue to follow the false prophet Muhammad the EXACT OPPOSITE of what these guys should be doing? Of what we are called to do as Christians?

The one to look out for is the one that has a righteous, angelic appearance but deceives the whole world.

We also must remember that we fight a spiritual battle, not against flesh and blood. The lost are being deceived, and religion is a tool being used used by the enemy. The eternal punishment that awaits them makes one grieve for them :(

Of all the countries, the middle east has been the most unsuccessful with missionaries. Very sad.
It is sad, and the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind.

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I think in large measure because the church was blinded by pop-approaches to bible prophecy over the last two centuries. Why do you suppose the thread at the following link passed without reply? Because everyone agrees with it?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/62613-division-body-christ-temple-god.html
 
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I understand. You hate it when the Israelis have to resort to force to defend the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims, afforded them by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, to defend Israeli citizens from the Islamic aggressors conquest of Israel (and the rest of the world) who desire to convert Israel as well as the rest of the world into just another Middle Eastern Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.


I hate it when any force is used against children. I don't care if it's Jews,Arabs,Chinese or whomever. It is always the children who get the worst.

[/QUOTE]It isn't about Arabs and Jews. It is about the 1400 year goal of Islamic conquest and peaceful Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs that simply want to be left alone in peace to continue to be productive citizens.

Wikipedia article regarding secular Arabs: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
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An unscientific poll with a very small small sample that is mostly useless for being a true sampling.

[/QUOTE]Scripture should help you understand the state of a Jew that hates Jesus, but you are blinded by the bigotry that springs from your theology.

1Cr 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

It is your anti-Semitic bigotry that arises from Roman Church styled punitive supersessionism, that causes you to declare that all Jews are the same, whether a reprobate Hollywood movie producer, or a faithful Jews that worships our God YHWH through our Old Testament scriptures, and whose lives revolve around their temples and faith based communities whe MAY remain blinded to the Gospel through a sovereign act of God.
SPIRIT OF SLUMBER
Your post even tacitly suggests that you believe some Jew that hates Jesus, would be the same one that suddenly turns around and recognizes Jesus as his Messiah and Savior, while I doubt that is often - if ever - the case.
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What Bible are you reading? We all were haters of God at one time or another and that includes the Jews also. And sorry even the Jews must can only come to God Jesus. Jesus plainly says NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. And Paul goes onto to say that there is NO other name in heaven and earth that a man can be saved. So if one does NOT come through Jesus then how can one be saved,even the Jew that will not go through Jesus? Jesus even says that it will be Moses himself that will be their accuser,because Moses points to Jesus?

[/QUOTE] And that bothers you, even as you yourself generalize all Jews into a monolithic group. All they did is what you are doing. [/QUOTE]

Sorry any man or woman that does not love God and Jesus will be my enemy,because they are God's enemies.The why is because they hate Him and want nothing with Him. Any man or woman that knows God and loves Jesus and has been born again is my brother and sister otherwise they are not. Plain and simple.

[/QUOTE]You might wish to believe you don't hate Jews, but you really need to ask yourself what makes you so willing to come to the defense of the imperialistic conquest of false prophet Muhammad's cult, by writing as though Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs are equally at fault, for wanting to defend the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State offers to all Israeli citizens from Islamic aggression. A democratic state where Muslims also enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth. [/QUOTE]

Just because I think the people that were living in Israel at the time of the Balfour declaration were basically given the shaft and have had the land they were living in,were basically forced off because of a piece of paper,and which was taken from them,(stolen from them without any say by them) I thought stealing was wrong. It wasn't taken from them by force neither.
All because someone came up with the bright idea of coming up with a document which turned the land over to others.
Since when is a Christian called to defend someone in the wrong? I'm sorry but I have a problem with that.
 

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Pete - can you make your points without using anymore graphic pictures. This is a christian site and the young ones that come here should not be subjected to them. I also don't want to see these images.
 

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I'll comment on the other posts soon, but just to point out that I don't believe Israel to be the whore. One example.... Rev 17:4 talks of the Roman church, not Israel....

Rev 17:4: "The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls"

"The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet... the prectoral cross should be made of gold and decorated with gems" (Our Sunday visitor's Catholic encyclopedia, 1991, pg 175,178,466)


Israel does not fit. Why? There were 4 colors given by God, to be worn by the priests in Israel - gold, blue, purple and scarlet (Exodus 28). This color is not mentioned in Rev 17:4.


Numbers 15:37-40: Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God"
 

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the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State
Israel enacts law allowing authorities to detain illegal migrants for up to 3 years
Until now, migrants caught by IDF have been transferred to the Saharonim detention facility in the south; Interior Minister says migrants do not recognize that Israel 'belongs to the white man.'

Israel enacts law allowing authorities to detain illegal migrants for up to 3 years Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper < click


Enlightened racism
Racism in the eyes of urbane Israel is when Mizrahim, Arabs and all kinds of dark people say not-nice things about European white Ashkenazim.

Enlightened racism - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Netanyahu and the laws of killing 'goyim’
Israel is becoming a racist society, in which the prime minister of a country that was founded after the murder of Jews salutes a rabbi who supported a work on the laws of killing non-Jews

Netanyahu and the laws of killing 'goyim’ - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Author: Israel can claim the title of the most racist state in the developed world
Sami Michael, who also heads the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, speaks at Haifa University.
Israeli culture is no less toxic than fanatic Islam, and the country's discriminatory attitude toward Mizrahi Jews and Arabs qualifies it for the title of "most racist state," prominent Israeli author Sami Michael said on Monday.

Author: Israel can claim the title of the most racist state in the developed world Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


State bars Westerners living in West Bank from entering Israel, East Jerusalem
Change discovered after foreigners renewed tourist visas, and saw that 'Judea and Samaria only' had been stamped inside.

State bars Westerners living in West Bank from entering Israel, East Jerusalem - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


A racist Jewish state
There is a very thin line between a democratic Jewish state and a racist one. This week the line was crossed.

In 1995 the Supreme Court rescued the state from callously discriminating against its Arab citizens through the Ka'adan case, which prohibited the Israel Lands Administration from discriminating against non-Jews by leasing land through the Jewish Agency. Since then the attorney general has stated that such discrimination is unacceptable - also when it is carried out through the Jewish National Fund. The MKs were unable to accept this egalitarian ruling, and on Wednesday a large majority of 65 voted in favor of a preliminary reading permitting such discrimination. The bill is also backed by the head of the Knesset Constitution, Law and Justice Committee, MK Menahem Ben-Sasson.

A racist Jewish state - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Israeli racism is embedded in daily politics of every state body
It would behoove those who are shocked by the barbaric expulsion of the Africans to take even one hour to examine the statistics about the lives of the Arab minority in Israel.

Israeli racism is embedded in daily politics of every state body - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Do not have children if they won't be healthy!
A shocking new study reveals how key figures in the pre-state Zionist establishment proposed castrating the mentally ill, sterilizing the poor and doing everything possible to ensure reproduction only among the `best of people.'

`Do not have children if they won't be healthy!' Israel News - Haaretz Israeli News source click


Jewish eugenics pre-dates Hitler's Master Race

"The support of Dr. Meir and other senior people in the health system for these ideas has been kept under wraps for many years," claims Stoler-Liss. No one today talks about this chapter in the history of the Yishuv. In the mid-1950s Dr. Meir's articles were collected into a book that came out in his memory. The article mentioned above was not included in it. Stoler-Liss found a card file with notes scribbled by the editors of the volume. They defined the article as "problematic and dangerous." "Now, after Nazi eugenics," wrote one of the editors, "it is dangerous to publish this article."

The main institution was the advice station. The first station was opened in 1931 in Beit Strauss on Balfour Street in Tel Aviv. The aim was to work in "pleasant ways," through persuasion and choice. As Stoler-Liss explains: "Why should people work against their personal interests? It is here that the connection to the national interest comes in. If I understand that by having a baby I will harm the national interest, the building of the land, the `new Jew,' I will refrain from giving birth. But just to make certain, Meir told the doctors, in the event that a woman comes to you who is `a risk' for giving birth to a sick baby, it is your obligation to make certain that she has an abortion."

The Insider - Jewish eugenics pre-dates Hitler's Master Race - click


An inconveivable crime
Israel's patronizing and inhumane treatment of Ethiopian women is nothing new.
It's hard to believe, but in Israel, in 2012, Ethiopian women are forced to receive injections of the Depo-Provera contraceptive. This injection is not a commonly prescribed means of contraception. It is considered a last resort and is usually given to women who are institutionalized or developmentally disabled

An inconveivable crime - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Why is the birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian community declining?
Women say that while waiting in transit camps in Ethiopia they were coaxed into agreeing to injections of long-acting birth control drugs.

Why is the birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian community declining? Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Racist incitement by Israeli public figures doubled in 2012, study shows
According to a new report from the Coalition Against Racism in Israel, there were 106 cases of high profile racist statements last year, compared with 59 such cases the year before.

Racist incitement by Israeli public figures doubled in 2012, study shows - National Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Let's face it: Israel has a racism problem
When an Arab attacks a Jew, he’s a terrorist, he’s been taught to hate. When a Jew attacks an Arab, he’s just a loner, an oddball, a bad egg. But we’ve seen so many bad eggs at this point that something here has begun to stink.

Let's face it: Israel has a racism problem - Jerusalem Vivendi Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click


Survey: Most Israeli Jews wouldn't give Palestinians vote if West Bank was annexed
Survey, conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews.

Survey: Most Israeli Jews wouldn't give Palestinians vote if West Bank was annexed Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper - click




Jewish eugenics, and other essays; three papers ... . - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library | HathiTrust Digital Library < click PDF


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now we simply find the justification for all this is the Jewish Religion.
not hard to do.

DO YOU NEED HELP WITH THIS PETE

okay...i`ll help you balance your worldview.
 
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I hate it when any force is used against children. I don't care if it's Jews,Arabs,Chinese or whomever. It is always the children who get the worst.

It isn't about Arabs and Jews. It is about the 1400 year goal of Islamic conquest and peaceful Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs that simply want to be left alone in peace to continue to be productive citizens.

Wikipedia article regarding secular Arabs: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
An unscientific poll with a very small small sample that is mostly useless for being a true sampling.
Let's start here. Criticizing a poll doesn't change reality. By arguing against the poll rather than simply believing its result, you are suggesting that it is just as reasonable to believe that Israeli non-Muslim Arabs - rather than living under the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination provided by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, for the benefit of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims (where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth) - that Israeli non-Muslim Arabs would prefer to live in just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.

You are suggesting it is reasonable to believe that non-Muslim Arabs would prefer to be subjugated to Islamic rule, under which the Christians in Gaza are now suffering, thanks to international anti-Zionists.

From WND: "'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."

From WND "Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"
Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."
"Jihadia Salafiya and other Islamic movements will ensure Christian schools and institutions show publicly what they are teaching to be sure they are not carrying out missionary activity. No more alcohol on the streets. All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza," he said.
Abu Saqer said Hamas "must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people."
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."

Can you list all the reasons you chose to argue against that poll?
Do you understand what you did, and why you did it?

For example Zone attacks the above news, by attacking the messenger, World Net Daily. But her attacking the messenger is nothing more than an obvious effort to obscure the matter of fact reality of the subject, which is the subjugation of Gaza Christians to Muhammad's followers, and beginning of their dhimmitude under Islamic rule. I believe it is reasonable to suggest that all outspoken anti-Zionists, not only bear responsibility for that subjugation but may well be judged for it, for the same reason Zone tries to run and hide from the truth by attacking the messenger.
But we can pick from Wikipedia, Christianity Today and even NBC News, regarding that murdered Gaza Christian bookstore manager, for example. Here is the matter of fact reality (paraphrasing Benjamin Netanyahu's unfortunately more politically correct version):

If the Muslims put down their weapons there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons there would be no more Israel.

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