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Please don't curse. Not for my sake, but for your sake.
It's not "my" view. It is rather the conclusions of philosophers. Might wanna check out what Nihilism is. As the logical conclusion of a lack of Objective meaning, is nihilism.
Your view on happiness and emotions is pointless as you have never felt them do it the tell me what you think until then I know a whole lot more than you. 
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psymon, id just like to sneak in here and say that I have experienced happiness, ive done drugs, smoked, gotten drunk, been clubbing, had sex etc etc and while they are all absolutely amazing, 'feel good' things, that provide joy, they dont match up to the longer lasting, more peaceful joy and happiness I have found in God.
The happiness found in 'living life' is indeed better in many ways compared to the happiness within the christian, but ultimately my happiness now is eternal, and comes from the soul, not from the chemicals in my brain
The happiness found in 'living life' is indeed better in many ways compared to the happiness within the christian, but ultimately my happiness now is eternal, and comes from the soul, not from the chemicals in my brain
Lad that's great and you have a reference point and that works for you which is brilliant but old Jimothy doesn't know what he's talking about and I'm done responding to his nonsense. I haven't done many drugs Lad but the ones i did try were not for me, I enjoy alcohol on occasions but the love from a partner and the intamacy we have is amazing and the happiness I bring her makes me happy.
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psymon you have to understand that there is no need to be offended .these people talking to you here love you! we know the truth can be found in jesus christ and that is a fact, and whenever we as christians see somebody lost it is our jobs to try to get them back on track. you my friend are lost and i am going to put it like this, save yourself from the heartache! Jesus died for you friend and in your heart you know it's the truth . i am asking you please do not fight it. you have to understand that arguing with jimmy is not going to work, he will keep letting you know the truth because he cares about you and doesnt want to see you lost. I will be praying for you friend, god bless
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Well, in relation to what this thread is about, I do in fact believe that one can be gay and be a Christian. I think there are a lot of misconceptions that there is only one way to be Christian, when in fact the bible can be interpreted differently by anyone who reads it. Therefore, it's my belief that it's ridiculous to assume that someone has to be a certain way to be a true follower of Christ.
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rediculous? really? is it rediculous to give the god that saved your life the simple respect of not twisting and contorting his words? as you say the are many" interpretations" of the bible. let me tell you something friend there might be interpretations but there is only one truth! homosexuality is nothing to be debated, it clearly states in the bible many times that it is not okay!
leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
leviticus 20:22
“‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
and there are many more versus about it if you want more i will show you. friend you are going around the ppl to cover up their sins with their own self righteousness and not confess and repent.
proverbs 28:13
He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
i will pray for you, you must realize that you are working as an advocate for the devil saying these things. and i am not trying to condemn you i am simply trying to correct youfor what you are saying is purely false information
leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
leviticus 20:22
“‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
and there are many more versus about it if you want more i will show you. friend you are going around the ppl to cover up their sins with their own self righteousness and not confess and repent.
proverbs 28:13
He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
i will pray for you, you must realize that you are working as an advocate for the devil saying these things. and i am not trying to condemn you i am simply trying to correct youfor what you are saying is purely false information
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You can quote more bible verses and I can give you articles and links and book titles and documentary titles that show how the Bible is often taken literally when meanings change through translation and word meanings changing. However, I do not wish to get into this argument on this thread because this is not the place. I do believe that the bible and the verses you quoted can be interpreted many ways, and your interpretation varies from my own. To each his own; I say neither of us is more correct than the other, merely different.
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ok so tell me, if you didnt take these verses literally and if you looked at them figuratively then tell me if the message would change. if you look at these verses figuratively when god says it is not okay to be homosexual does it flip and mean its okay? so does that mean that we should reverse the whole bible and everything that it says that we should do we wont do? friend i hope that you understand iam not attacking you but merely letting you know that you are twisting and contorting the good word
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I will be happy to tomorrow, but right now it's 11 here and I have to wake up at 7, so I'm going to do it when I have more time to find you good, reliable sources.
I look at the verses that speak about homosexuals and read them in relation to the speech of the time period in which it was written, and the different meanings they held. I researched the language of that time and saw that the therm "homosexual" could mean things besides our modern definition.
As for interpretation... if one were to sit down and read Sodom and Gomorrah, taking every word literally, then they would most likely come to the conclusion that it condemns homosexual behavior, and that is why God destroyed those cities. However, if one reads deeper into it, they see that it may instead be focusing on rape, as the men were intent on raping the angels, rather than have sex with them. It may also be interpreted that the story is referring to hospitality. I do not think the bible is black and white with anything it says, and I believe nearly every verse can be read differently, depending on who reads it and the context. As for the verses referring directly to homosexuals, I think, as I said above, that it has to be read in consideration with translation and historical context.
I look at the verses that speak about homosexuals and read them in relation to the speech of the time period in which it was written, and the different meanings they held. I researched the language of that time and saw that the therm "homosexual" could mean things besides our modern definition.
As for interpretation... if one were to sit down and read Sodom and Gomorrah, taking every word literally, then they would most likely come to the conclusion that it condemns homosexual behavior, and that is why God destroyed those cities. However, if one reads deeper into it, they see that it may instead be focusing on rape, as the men were intent on raping the angels, rather than have sex with them. It may also be interpreted that the story is referring to hospitality. I do not think the bible is black and white with anything it says, and I believe nearly every verse can be read differently, depending on who reads it and the context. As for the verses referring directly to homosexuals, I think, as I said above, that it has to be read in consideration with translation and historical context.
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ok i understand what youre getting at however
leviticus 20:22
“‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
look at this verse. it does not state homosexual in it, the only nouns in this verse is man and woman, in the time this was written man and woman had the same definition as it does today. therefore there is onlyone interpretation to be made. and that is that a man may not lay with a man. simple as that
leviticus 20:22
“‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
look at this verse. it does not state homosexual in it, the only nouns in this verse is man and woman, in the time this was written man and woman had the same definition as it does today. therefore there is onlyone interpretation to be made. and that is that a man may not lay with a man. simple as that
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godovermoney
I can just imagine people saying that it doesnt mean sex but that men shouldnt lie down beside men in public settings, like at dinner
*sigh* my theory is that we can know EXACTLY what the Bible is saying by looking at the hebrew and greek words and their meanings within the cultural contexts, historical contexts and social contexts, while also taking into consideration its syntax eg moods, tense etc etc
For example according to the literal greek john 3:16 actually says "For ADONAI so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever continues to believe in Him will continue having eternal life."
I can just imagine people saying that it doesnt mean sex but that men shouldnt lie down beside men in public settings, like at dinner
*sigh* my theory is that we can know EXACTLY what the Bible is saying by looking at the hebrew and greek words and their meanings within the cultural contexts, historical contexts and social contexts, while also taking into consideration its syntax eg moods, tense etc etc
For example according to the literal greek john 3:16 actually says "For ADONAI so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever continues to believe in Him will continue having eternal life."
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lol! i got a good laugh out of that thanks. andyou are very right we can sit down and figure out each and every literal hebrew translation.which dont get me wrong, looking at the literal translation is good for the more confusing verses that can be interpreted in many diff. ways. but at the end of the day when you have verses that are as simple as dont lay with another man. i dont see how people can misinterperate that. i mean it is so straight forward how can you twist those words? some people over analyze stuff so much that they could twist genesis 1:1into "god created a grilled cheese" and it would make perfect sense to them lol it is crazy
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I think we need to define what it means to be gay before we attempt an answer.
Is someone gay when:
1. they are attracted to persons of the same sex only?
2. they are attracted to persons of the same sex only and act upon it?
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If my brother who I really love, turns out to be a serial killer, would I hate him when I find out? and if I still find that I really love him and want more for him; would I encourage him to embrace being a murderer? If something is wrong it may not affect my love for you, but does it mean I can change the wrong act to right? Just a question.......
I think we need to define what it means to be gay before we attempt an answer.
Is someone gay when:
1. they are attracted to persons of the same sex only?
2. they are attracted to persons of the same sex only and act upon it?
B
If my brother who I really love, turns out to be a serial killer, would I hate him when I find out? and if I still find that I really love him and want more for him; would I encourage him to embrace being a murderer? If something is wrong it may not affect my love for you, but does it mean I can change the wrong act to right? Just a question.......
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Jandian, I think a lot of people do change what they perceive to be right or wrong, based almost wholely on how it effects them. This we can see in ourselves even, it's so much easier to condemn the next guy, but how dare we point the finger at ourselves. It reminds me of mothers who will defend the innocence of their son who killed someone else in court, and remain devotedly loyal even after the conviction.
When it comes to sin, my observation has been that we don't want to point out the sin of those we love dearly.
When it comes to sin, my observation has been that we don't want to point out the sin of those we love dearly.