Gay Christian?

[Ramon]

As righteous as all you stone throwers think you are,

It's my experience that Scripture doesn't force someone to hate. The hate is already there inside the person.

Scripture is just interpreted to justify the existing hatred in the person.

God sees your hearts and he knows your wicked desires. He sees you molding scripture to justify hating your neighbour.

Amen!! Thank you for this reminder my friend. I am getting back to Jesus!!

Yes we cannot hate anyone. No!! Never!!

May Jesus bless you my friend.

 

[Lad]

psymon i feel sorry for you LOL its unfortunate how alot of christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existence of God as if he were a book and as if you werent already thoroughly convinced in your own beliefs.

As a christian myself tho i would agree with you on that no one has to worship something or someone. Some people (like many of my friends) just live their lives and enjoy their existence. Now while I have my own beliefs against this, I wont try and convince (or attack) you.

May God be blessed, and may you find happiness.

 

[psymon23]

psymon i feel sorry for you LOL its unfortunate how alot of christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existence of God as if he were a book and as if you werent already thoroughly convinced in your own beliefs.

As a christian myself tho i would agree with you on that no one has to worship something or someone. Some people (like many of my friends) just live their lives and enjoy their existence. Now while I have my own beliefs against this, I wont try and convince (or attack) you.

May God be blessed, and may you find happiness.

Thank you Lad it's nice to talk to someone who can appreciate someone's viewpoint who doesn't believe, I may proved to be wrong but that's my choice and you're right not everyone needs to find a "Messiah"

 

[wolfywolfs]

Now you know how long I have been dodging those bullets wolfywolfs. LOL. How have you been my friend?

ive been dead thats about it

 

[Ramon]

ive been dead thats about it

No worries. Jesus Christ is the Resurrection and the Life. Anyone that goes to him will have life and that more abundantly.

(You set it up my friend. LOL)

May Jesus bless you.

 

[jimmydiggs]

psymon i feel sorry for you LOL its unfortunate how alot of christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existence of God

In my time here, I have observed few argument's for the existance of God. Maybe in the chat rooms, I don't go there often. The forums are almost always scriptural matters, not philosophical.

as if he were a book

Giving people reasons to believe is treating God like a book?

Jesus, when dealing with detractors cited miracles and fulfilled prophecy to prove that his claims were true. See Luke 24:25-27; and John 14:11. Jesus was treating himself like a book, I guess.

John 14:11

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11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

Luke 24:25-27

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25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

The apostles made appeals many times. Peter's sermon on the Day of Pentecost, chapter 2 of Acts. In acts 2:22 he appeals to miracles performed by Christ. Verses 25-31 he talks about fulfilled prophecy. Verse 32, the resurrection.

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25 David said about him:
“‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will rest in hope,
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
you will not let your holy one see decay.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’[e]
29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[f]
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message

and as if you werent already thoroughly convinced in your own beliefs.

So because someone is convinced, we should just ignore them? "oh, this guy is a goner" I don't know how long you've been walking with Christ, but I ignored the many times people spoke to me, and I'm glad they never gave up no matter how many times I refused to listen. If they hadn't kept it up, I'd be right where psymon is. I originally sat on that side of the fence, and was very convinced Christianity and all other religions were just copycats. I'm glad Ilearned about apologetics. It's a shame of how wrong I was then.

As a christian myself tho i would agree with you on that no one has to worship something or someone.

Not everyone has to, but everyone does worship something. For most it it is sin.

Some people (like many of my friends) just live their lives and enjoy their existence. Now while I have my own beliefs against this, I wont try and convince (or attack) you.

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation

May God be blessed, and may you find happiness.

No, he should not seek happiness, he should find Saving Faith in Christ. Happiness is a byproduct of a life of peace brought on by obedience and servantude to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[psymon23]

Okay Jimmy whatever you say my friend

I do have happiness and I don't worship sin and my life is fulfilled and that's good enough for me.

 

[Tobby17]

Okay, I'm not going to beat around the bush. One CANNOT be gay and be a Christian. God tells us this in His word:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Also in the same chapter, God tells us in his word to flee from such perverted acts:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. (19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

One is brainwashed by the world when they say one can be gay and also be a Christian. One cannot live in sin and live under grace. God despises homosexuality.

so when one is gay and accepts Christ as his Lord and Saviour, he is not still christian coz he is gay?. Very Pathetic if you ask me

 

[Ramon]

so when one is gay and accepts Christ as his Lord and Saviour, he is not still christian coz he is gay?. Very Pathetic if you ask me

A Christian is not someone who says a little phrase and goes to church. A Christian is someone who has been converted by God himself. The Holy Spirit will not allow a TRUE Christian to continue this way without convicting this. So there is no such thing as a gay Christian. Either the person has never been converted or they are like the Romans 1 bunch and will perish in hell due to their outright rebellion against the very Spirit of God.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[jimmydiggs]

A Christian is not someone who says a little phrase and goes to church. A Christian is someone who has been converted by God himself. The Holy Spirit will not allow a TRUE Christian to continue this way without convicting this. So there is no such thing as a gay Christian. Either the person has never been converted or they are like the Romans 1 bunch and will perish in hell due to their outright rebellion against the very Spirit of God.

May Jesus bless you.

Ramon, have you sinned today?

 

[Lad]

Jimmy,

MYOB.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmy,

MYOB.

In relation to what?

If it is my question aimed at Ramon, "Ramon, have you sinned today?" It was in hopes he would say, "yes", to which I could say that by his reasoning, he himself would not "make the cut" for christianity. This was because of his statement, "So there is no such thing as a gay Christian." To which I disagree.


If it was my response to your post...

1) Posting on a public forum (so long as rules aren't broke, it's public) opens a person up to commentaries by others.
2)You stated "psymon i feel sorry for you LOL its unfortunate how alot of christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existence of God" The only person as of recently that, ".. christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existance of God" could apply to, would be me. When people direct things at me, (atleast perceivably) I will respond if I feel it is necessary.

 

[psymon23]

Jimmy you're not having much support on either thread do you think it might be you after all?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Okay Jimmy whatever you say my friend

It's not about what I say, it's about what God "says".

I do have happiness and I don't worship sin and my life is fulfilled and that's good enough for me.

Just as a drunken man feels he is happy, until he is sober and sees reality.


Before you strawman it up, I am not claiming you are an alcoholic. Sin, however, inebriates us.

 

[psymon23]

So if it's what "God" says do you have a voice of your own?

My happiness is real and lacking nothing, maybe a hard concept for you to grasp my friend.

 

[jimmydiggs]

So if it's what "God" says do you have a voice of your own?

Do I have a voice of my own? Hmmm, yes. I do. However, since this is text-based you won't be able to hear it. That was not my point though. My point was that we must adhere to God. Since the bible is God's Inspired word, then we must adhere to it as well. For when we read the bible, it is as if God spoke directly to us, through literature.

My happiness is real and lacking nothing, maybe a hard concept for you to grasp my friend.

It lacks Christ, and is only an illusion.

 

[Lad]

In relation to what?

If it is my question aimed at Ramon, "Ramon, have you sinned today?" It was in hopes he would say, "yes", to which I could say that by his reasoning, he himself would not "make the cut" for christianity. This was because of his statement, "So there is no such thing as a gay Christian." To which I disagree.


If it was my response to your post...

1) Posting on a public forum (so long as rules aren't broke, it's public) opens a person up to commentaries by others.
2)You stated "psymon i feel sorry for you LOL its unfortunate how alot of christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existence of God" The only person as of recently that, ".. christians on here pile on all the logical arguments on the existance of God" could apply to, would be me. When people direct things at me, (atleast perceivably) I will respond if I feel it is necessary.

1. first of all it would be rules arent brokeN. second, thats really just an excuse for ppl to be nosey in other ppls posts that are CLEARLY directed at another person and ONLY for them. Public forum or not, if it is addressed to someone, its for them.
2. Actually I wasnt specifying anyone, I was making a general statement about know-it-all christians that appeal to the mind instead of the spirit and mind combined. If you want to lump yourself in this category then be my guest, but nothing was aimed at anyone in particular.

 

[psymon23]

My happiness is an illusion haha yeah of course it is you make no sense my friend and if we must adhere to God then we have no free will so make your mind up.

 

[jimmydiggs]

1. first of all it would be rules arent brokeN.

I had not stated rules are broken yet. Simply stating that breaking of rules can cause the forums to no longer be "public" for a person in that manner. They could still read, but not post.

I was not accusing anyone of breaking any rules. Let's not strawman that.

second, thats really just an excuse for ppl to be nosey in other ppls posts that are CLEARLY directed at another person and ONLY for them.

If you want something to be "only" for a person, then by all means, do so, by Private Message. It's not an exscuse, but rather, a statement of reality.

Public forum or not, if it is addressed to someone, its for them.

Correct, that's the whole point of addressing, however, that does not exscuse the addressor from being addressed about the initial addressing. If you want something to be private, then make it private, by addressing privately.

2. Actually I wasnt specifying anyone, I was making a general statement about know-it-all christians that appeal to the mind instead of the spirit and mind combined. If you want to lump yourself in this category then be my guest, but nothing was aimed at anyone in particular.

Explicitly stating something isn't neccesary to avoid doing so. Implication is simply enough. This is a common tactic amongst Christians, who want to levy a charge without levying a charge. (if that makes sense)

Now, on the issue of "know-it-all christians", I guess I don't know what is required to be a "know-it-all". However, on the issue of appealing to the mind check...

John 14:11; Acts 2; Mark 16:15...

Intercessory prayer, would be on the spiritual aspect.


EDIT:
If I were to say something not true, I would hope others would rebuke it as well. Addressed to an individual, or not.

 

[jimmydiggs]

My happiness is an illusion haha yeah of course it is you make no sense my friend and if we must adhere to God then we have no free will so make your mind up.

A person cannot serve God other than by choice. That is why we have free will, we by will choose freely to battle against the desires of our flesh which demands inebriating pleasure.