Understanding God’s election

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Rufus

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GWH said:
Yes, but six or seven is on the young side of the stage of moral accountability and ability to understand GRFS.
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Yes, it is. But we shouldn't forget that it is ultimately God who gives understanding (Col 1:9; 2Tim 2:7; Prov 2:6, etc.). Since He can raise the dead to life, then imparting understanding to the human heart should be no problem for God; for He is greater than our hearts (1Jn 3:20).

GWH said:
Well, arguments and disagreements on CC indicate that imparting understanding and love is a problem for God--
a problem He created by creating humans with MFW, so that His imparting of u&l is not irresistible or simply a
matter of programming automatons.
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If you have never perceived yourself as being a HELPLESS, HOPELESS sinner in dire need of God RESCUING you by imparting LIFE to your dead soul, then I can only surmise that absent that kind of humility that you very likely think you brought something to the table that merits God's grace. God actually repaid you for having the smarts and good sense and piety and wisdom, etc. to come to the right decision. If you believe in your heart of hearts that your personal, "freewill" choice earned you God's favor -- that your choice triggered God's salvation -- then you're very likely in deep spiritual trouble.
 
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Again, the instruction re: the power inherent in God's revelation of Himself and of His Son is misunderstood by many, but not by all.
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God's "revelation of Himself and of His Son" is not limited to the written word (Gospel). He also reveals himself and His Son existentially within his elect's souls by the Holy Spirit. Ultimately, it is the Spirit who imparts spiritual understanding to sinners. The Holy Spirit applies God's Word to a sinner's mind, heart and soul, making him humble and willing to embrace Gospel truth.
 
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Rufus said:
Yes, it is. But we shouldn't forget that it is ultimately God who gives understanding (Col 1:9; 2Tim 2:7; Prov 2:6, etc.). Since He can raise the dead to life, then imparting understanding to the human heart should be no problem for God; for He is greater than our hearts (1Jn 3:20).



If you have never perceived yourself as being a HELPLESS, HOPELESS sinner in dire need of God RESCUING you by imparting LIFE to your dead soul, then I can only surmise that absent that kind of humility that you very likely think you brought something to the table that merits God's grace. God actually repaid you for having the smarts and good sense and piety and wisdom, etc. to come to the right decision. If you believe in your heart of hearts that your personal, "freewill" choice earned you God's favor -- that your choice triggered God's salvation -- then you're very likely in deep spiritual trouble.
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Not sure why a person as intelligent as you would say that the free choice of faith earns salvation when Paul did not teach that, as you surely know.
 
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