The Sealed Church Will Go Through The Future Tribulation, Divinely Protected By God!

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Truth7t7

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If it is exactly the same there would be no need to frame it as a necessary outward mark that the flying scorpions see and avoid the 144k.

You are trying to make a point that it can "only be" the exact same thing as being INWARDLY MARKED at salvation.

Nope
You need it to be the same thing.
It obviously is not.

In fact you are,by reframing it, proving that the pretrib rapture has happened and there is no need to say "the 144k as well as a billion Christian's running from cave to cave "

It is obvious that the scorpions sting those not OUTWARDLY sealed.....and ONLY the 144k are marked outwardly to avoid the scorpions.

Oh,and btw, the 144k are SAVED and therefore ALREADY HAVE the inward mark or seal of the Holy Spirit.

That idea of it being the same should go in the debunked pile
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You now claim flying scorpions, having eyes to see physical marks on the 144,000, and even go farther to claim different (Inward & Outward) marks upon believers.

The Eschatology you present is complete Sci-Fi, Tim La Haye in his left behind series would blush (y)
 
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LOL! You just exactly illustrated the point I was trying to make.

You take I Thessalonians 4:14-17 and say that it cannot mean what it says because "we clearly see in using the (Full Counsel) of God's word" . . . and then you bring in your "pre-determined bias" to the text and you know before you start what it cannot possibly mean . . .

Why not just study God's Word - every verse every line every word - and just take it for what it says without bringing in our predetermined biases and having to use the "but we see clearly using the full counsel of God's Word"

but we see clearly using the full counsel of God's Word = Some of the most dangerous words in Biblical interpretation
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Your claim is false.

I showed a claim made in verses below 1 Thess 4:14-17 of a pre-Trib rapture, then I used John 6:39-40 to prove the claim was the last day resurrection

1.) Is the resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:14-17?

100% (Yes)

2.) Does This Resurrection take place on (The Last Day) as taught in John 6:39-40?

100% (Yes)

Example: Dispensationalism claims 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is a Pre-Trib rapture, then a 7 year tribulation on earth follows?

This teaching is false, (One Verse) out of context, because we clearly see in using the (Full Counsel) of God's word, that the event seen is nothing more than the (Second Coming) and (Last Day) resurrection of the believer.

(The Last Day Resurrection)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(The Last Day Resurrection)

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
You now claim flying scorpions, having eyes to see physical marks on the 144,000, and even go farther to claim different (Inward & Outward) marks upon believers.

The Eschatology you present is complete Sci-Fi, even Tim La Haye in his left behind would blush (y)
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I am just reporting what is written.

Stop acting like it is not.
Rev 9
"4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

The 144k are saved Jews.

Why do they need a second seal in their foreheads?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
You now claim flying scorpions, having eyes to see physical marks on the 144,000, and even go farther to claim different (Inward & Outward) marks upon believers.

The Eschatology you present is complete Sci-Fi, Tim La Haye in his left behind series would blush (y)
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The 144k do have an outward mark.
We can all see that.

So your seal in your forehead is inward?
 
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I am just reporting what is written.

Stop acting like it is not.
Rev 9
"4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

The 144k are saved Jews.

Why do they need a second seal in their foreheads?
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All believers maintain the name of Jesus Christ in their foreheads, sealed!

You Desparately promote the false teachings of dispensationalism, why?

Yes you are 100% wrong that the seal in the forehead of the 144,000 is different than the seal of the church

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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The 144k do have an outward mark.
We can all see that.

So your seal in your forehead is inward?
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Your claim that the 144,000 has an outward mark different from the church is mentioned no place in the scripture, you are falsely adding to scripture.

Revelation 7:1-4KJV
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 9:4KJV
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
 
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The Sealed Church Will Go Through The Future Tribulation, Divinely Protected By God!
  • Gods wrath/judgement will not come upon the "Sealed Believers" during the tribulation.

    Revelation 9:3-5 below shows that the plague of torment for 5 months, will only be brought upon those "Not Sealed" by God, it was "Commanded"!

    All believers in Jesus Christ are "Sealed" by God the Holy Spirit, the believer is protected, Eph 1:13, 4:30

    Ephesians 1:13KJV
    13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Ephesians 4:30KJV
    And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    Revelation 9:3-5KJV
    3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
    4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
    5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

  • Below we see God's divine protection, if the world try's to harm a believer, they in return will be harmed!

    Revelation 13:9-10KJV
    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

  • 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 Is The "Last Day" Resurrection!

    The dead in Christ are resurrected and the living caught up at the Lords return, this takes place "Immediately after the tribulation"

    Let's take a look at the most "Popular" scripture used by dispensationalist to claim a Pre-Trib rapture, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV

    In The 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 below you see the "Resurrection" of the dead in Christ, this Takes place in the "Last Day" John 6:39-40, immediately after the tribulation Matthew 24:29-31.

    1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: andthe dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    The resurrection seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 above takes place on the "Last Day" at the return of Jesus Christ.

    This is not a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.

    John 6:39-40KJV
    39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Below we see the return of Jesus Christ and the "Last Day Resurrection" same event as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 above, this takes place "Immediately After The Tribulation"

    Matthew 24:29-31KJV
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The future 3.5 year tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the "Two Witnesses" will stand against the Antichrist for this entire 3.5 years, bringing all plagues as often as they will, the sealed believers are protected, just as the Hebrews were protected in Egypt.

    "All Plagues" As Often As They Will

    Revelation 11:2-6KJV
    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
    5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
    6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
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