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zone

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Quite so.

[video=youtube;2Ec-kZGKnQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ec-kZGKnQ8[/video]
oh for.....:(

so, hagee's god sent hitler, and his god said he allowed it to happen BECAUSE his TOP PRIORITY is to get the people to the land of israel.

so the ones who didn't go when the zionists were negotiating with the nazis for emigration/exodus (the 'final solution')....like...oh man. hagee's god was responsible for that i guess.

Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. 16 ¶ Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
and here i always thought this was the babylonian captivity with the promise of the Redeemer in Jerusalem when they returned.
which happened 2000 years ago.
 

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There is a group of people who, rather than discuss a given thread, give their opinions on who and what they have designated the person posting. These people are plentiful with labels but lacking in reason. It is best to put them on ignore once recognized for what they are. I have done this, and the forum is very peaceful without having to constantly reply to accusations and categorizations not brought up by myself. I see this happening to others.

It is not wrong to put anyone on ignore who proves consistently to be false in his or her relationship with the Body of Yeshua. Actually it is advised to treat them as non-believers once they have been sufficiently for warned.
 

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These were fulfilled in the return from exile and the fall of Babylon.

The quote from Isaiah is from my Hebrew study this morning. The reference is to the event of Satan being defeated by our Father. It is within the lament of Babylon, therefore I may only understand the meaning has nothing to do with the historic return of our spiritual forefathers to Israel. It is the carrying to a different Israel when Satan is defeated once and for all, halleluyah, amen!

Some historians may say this event has already occurred, but look around, tell me, do you see evil missing? Is suffering still happening? Is the Kingdom here already? No, that is exactly what I see....


Isa 14:1
For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Isa 14:2
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

Isa 14:3
And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

Isa 14:4
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Isa 14:5
The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

Isa 14:6
He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isa 14:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isa 14:8
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Isa 14:9
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Isa 14:10
All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Isa 14:11
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Isa 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

 

zone

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Need I say more about this person being a holocaust denier?
why don't you start by being a holocaust definer?
oh...you never will.
you have no intention of discussing the issue at all...for one of 2 reasons:

1) totally ignorant of the matter
2) hasbara

not sure which yet.

Also, we can now add to the list that she is a liar. In her post before last she said she would no longer post about this subject on this thread.
it is true i continued posting after saying i wouldn't.
sue me.

Understand, my Christian brothers and sisters that there are demonic beings whose job is to mislead God's children.
yes, there are.
they usually make a lot of noise about everything BUT Jesus Christ.
they are typically idolators.

Ask yourself if a person filled with such hate, who never extols, but whose only purpose seems to be to degrade a people, is worth listening to?
?? hate?

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

what degrade a people? - am i supposed to become an idolator like you?

We KNOW that NO ONE will be saved except by the blood of Jesus, including Jewish people, but how does degrading them and hating them with no sign of love at all convince ANYBODY of this fact?
more lies.
no documentation.
 
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wow you keep pushing the envelope;

I have NEVER promoted homosexuality now you are attributing an entire quote to me that IS NOT MINE

THIS is not me....>>>

>>>>Originally Posted by CoooCaw
Objectively, we must conclude that such miraculousevents suggest Divine intervention in human affairs. God not only created theuniverse; God is still involved in its workings.<<<
You posted it in post #2 of this thread, it's an important part of the "Support you Local Jew" teaching, right? -> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/74633-support-your-local-jew.html#post1203698


If you wish to disavow post #2 and follow Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all of us, the "local Jews" included, then now is the time.

Matt 3:9-10 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 

zone

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Need I say more about this person being a holocaust denier?
[video=youtube;uW3a1bw5XlE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE[/video]

Israeli Minister "We always use the anti-Semitism trick or bring up the Holocaust"

you gonna start that thread PennEd?
 

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Elin said:
BradC said:
CoooCaw said:
"Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities andlive in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit. I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them" Says the Lord your God. Amos 9:14-15
There has been no response to this post just yet. I wonder if anyone will say that these have been fulfilled prior to 1948 and can tell you when it was. This is such a stumbling block to them because of the (9) specific things mentioned in those two verses, which can not be separated and go together.
It was fulfilled in their return from exile under Nehemiah.

And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them
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They will be uprooted
when the heavens disappear with a roar; the elements are destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare (2Pe 3:10).

It's not literal. . .so it must be figurative of the Kingdom of Messiah, which will not be uprooted in the world, or anywhere else, or at any time.
if you do not believe the text of the bible or know any history, it is doubtful you can be enlightened
Falls somewhat short of Biblical demonstration, don't you think?

Assertions without demonstration are meritless.
 

Elin

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40If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; 41And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: 42Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. 43The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. 44And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. 45But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
Fulfilled in their return from exile under Nehemiah.
 

Elin

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I admire your persistence, but your'e dealing with a person who hasa deep seated hatred forJews. She spends almost every one of her many posts doing everything in her power to get others to hate them as well. We know this is her goal not only in trying to twist and confuse people regarding Scripture, but she also is a holocaust denier. Even If someone bought her garbage she tries to peddle on Scripture regarding the Jews, the fact that she won't even accept recent history on their persecution, TELLS you that she hates these people.

I for one, am extremely disappointed by CC in not pulling the plug on this person, she goes beyond discussing doctrinal differences, it will likely result on me pulling the plug on this site.
I've only seen her challenge the alleged number.
 

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eventually someone will make a "typographical error",,,and instead of going to YouTube and typing in "axis war crimes ww2" and by sheer accident they'll(by sheer accident) type in "allied war crimes ww2",,,,,then they'll find the Russians filming their own mass executions,sexual violations ect.,,then by accident they'll find Eisenhower's detention camps where between 1-3 million were starved to death after ww2.,,,maybe they'll stumble across the the articles written by the french government stating "we had to camouflage our men from the Germans,and our wemon from the americans",,,,but it would be a mistake to look in the other direction,,,,
 
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Fulfilled in their return from exile under Nehemiah.
not according to daniel; not completely

plus they were scattered again in 70ad
 

Elin

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So 1st you say, I'm a slanderer for calling her a holocaust denier. Now you say even if she is one it's not important, worse you claim to speak for God on the subject. Integrity, Integrity, my kingdom for a man with a shred of Integrity!
Are you saying there is a contradiction?
 
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I am amused by your persistence;

I cannot find the words homo or gay or sodomite in the quote; and it is only a quote

if you want to say that samuel clemens was gay then spell it out but you are pushing uphill to prove it; he loved his wife LIVY

and you have not addressed my other accusation against you of perjery



You posted it in post #2 of this thread, it's an important part of the "Support you Local Jew" teaching, right? -> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/74633-support-your-local-jew.html#post1203698


If you wish to disavow post #2 and follow Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all of us, the "local Jews" included, then now is the time.

Matt 3:9-10 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 

zone

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wow you keep pushing the envelope;
are you not the OP of this thread?
which calls on Christians to 'support their local Jew'. which is fine. love thy neighbor.

then proceeds to explain all these miracles - about Israel/The Israeli State.

but you cut & paste from an antichristian website.

you call for support for the "local jew" (whatever you mean by that)....by quoting from a site that blasphemes Christ. denies Him completely. the site that calls for non-jews to "bless" jews does so for a reason.

and has this in store for those who are Christ's:

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The Seven Laws of Noah

It is well known that the Jewish faith does not seek to make converts, and so it is generally supposed that since the Jewish people do not want to make other people into Jews, they are happy just to be left alone. The world is often very surprised to discover that the Jewish faith includes a complete provision for all non-Jews, regardless of race, social class or national origin, perfectly attuned to their needs, and deriving from the same source in Divine revelation through the prophecy of Moses, without any intermediary whatsoever. Only the true universal faith of the Jews regularly offers something to those who are not its members, and this is its sign of authenticity.

This provision is known as the Noachide Laws. Though the first man and his wife, Adam and Eve, were commanded to observe them, they emerged fully only after Noah had survived the flood that wiped away violent sinners whose wrongdoings had engulfed the world in his time. The ancestors of the Jewish people were also commanded in them until they were given the whole Torah at Mount Sinai, and they were then reaffirmed through Moses for all the other nations.

The laws are all prohibitions, unlike those of the Jewish people who have affirmative commandments, but they are not intended to make life dull or restricted. They point out what the good and true path should be, and with this path all moral necessities for the non-Jews are established, without need for any other philosophy, scientific discovery or change in government. All relationships between Jews and non-Jews are likewise explained, both in Israel and in other countries.

Sexual transgression
All people originate from sexual relations, and so the laws which govern them are our most basic ‘constitution’, testifying to the Divine origin of humankind. Non-Jews are not commanded to marry, but they are encouraged to do so, and they are forbidden to have relations with the wife of another man. Male homosexuality, incest and bestial relations are also forbidden under the same heading, even though the desires for them are very different. Jews and non-Jews are forbidden to each other, because of the different origin of their respective commandments. When these laws are observed, then human relations of all kinds are enhanced by the Divine sanction, and love increases throughout the world.

Murder
Though the reasons for sexual prohibitions may be mysterious, most people if asked what laws they would make to govern the world would immediately say that on no account must illegal bloodshed be allowed to go unpunished. Human life is a sacred trust, and can only be taken with legal sanction. The murderer is executed by decapitation, at the sentence of the duly authorized sovereign court only. Protection is extended to the unborn, and the details of any abortion case must be closely studied according to the law. War action is subject to strict security standards, at the order of a lawful regime. It is rare for any person to take life in truly wanton circumstances, because of instinctive recognition of its value, and this recognition must be taken up to the level of reckoning which the spiritual law requires.

Theft
The first man and woman transgressed the Noachide prohibition of theft by eating the fruit which had been forbidden to them, and this is still a Divine provision for non-Jews regarding all property in the hands of others. Property ownership is underwritten by Divine law for all humanity, and is not just a matter for an aggrieved individual to settle for himself. Respect for property rights is the basis for generosity with possessions, and for business dealings that lead the world through its use and traffic of goods to its final destiny. This brings moral satisfaction in the workplace, and the fostering of ethics in this area is a prime need for our society.

Idolatry
If the worship of entities other than the Creator had not been forbidden by His express command, then people would be free to choose what to worship, just as they choose their own personal friends. However the whole area of relations between humanity and its Creator has been placed under specific requirements, namely that only His truth and unity should be the subject of belief, worship and philosophy. His revelation has two levels, the one in nature for ordinary reckoning, and the other through prophecy on Mount Sinai for the moral law. All non-Jews derive their true religious fulfillment from this latter source, and any reference to an intermediary causes error and loss of morality. There is no need for non-Jews to form associations for Noachide observance and prayer, but they may do so if they wish.

Cursing the Name
The power of speech distinguishes humanity from all other species, and this distinction leads to the specific human prohibition not to use speech for cursing the Creator, because it shows ingratitude for his kindness. This commandment pairs with the previous one, showing that the Divine rulership and the Divine love go together at all times and places, no matter how great the difficulties may seem. Jews and non-Jews are commanded in the same verse in this respect, showing how in the Messianic times all of humankind will join together in voicing praise for the Creator. All other misuses of speech, such as gossip, obscenity and lies, are indicated in this commandment as something to avoid, just as prayer and words of Torah are desirable so that speech will become truly Divine.

Eating the limb of a living animal
Though it may seem far-fetched to think of eating meat from a living creature, the intent behind this prohibition is to safeguard the human sexual integrity. The connection between eating and sexuality is well known, and it is the sexual drive for consumption of the ‘heat of life’ that leads to the kind of greed which damages reproduction. The Noachide Law teaches us that this is rectified by being careful to eat only meat from an animal that is fully dead, and this is by no means always the case in our factory society where slaughterhouses handle meat animals quickly and carelessly, sometimes only stunning them before cutting them up for sale. Care in this observance fosters all requirements for the love of nature and the preservation of the environment, and safeguards the passage of souls as manifested in the life and consumption of food animals until the ultimate destiny of the world.

System of justice
The non-Jewish nations of the world are commanded to avoid the state of anarchy by assuming and exercising the sovereign jurisdiction, to maintain courts that punish offenders by due process of law, and that provide civil redress in society. The Noachide Laws themselves form the basis of the criminal code, but each nation may make civil laws as it sees fit within the general guidelines. This provision does not apply within the Land of Israel, where the sovereign power is in the hands of the Jewish people, and they judge non-Jews of any nationality living or visiting there under these same Noachide Laws.

Corporations are held in being by the sovereign power through the enactment of corporate law, which is empowered by this commandment. The sovereign power is responsible for regulating these corporations in the public interest, and ensuring their conformity with all aspects of the law. Thus Communism and Fascism are in breach of the spiritual law because of their lack of this regulation. Non-Jews are obligated to seek reconciliation rather than take their disputes straight to court, and this in turn obligates them to give charitable donations to the needy so as to foster reconciliation in general.

The Rabbis of the Talmud say, ‘War comes to the world through the delay of justice, the perversion of justice, and the teaching of Torah out of accordance with its legal meaning.’ When all processes of law are rectified in this way, with good government applied to sustain them, functioning in Divine integrity, then grievances are properly handled and true peace emerges into the light of day. This is among the recognitions of the United States Congress in its Declaration endorsing the Noachide Laws (H.J. Res. 104, Public Law 102-14, March 1990 and subsequently), based on long historic understanding of the Jewish people and the Torah.

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Rabbi Bindman is the author of The Seven Colors of the Rainbow: Torah ethics for non-Jews. click here to buy this book at Amazon.com.

The Seven Laws of Noah | Noachide for non-Jews < click


no Christian would promote this site.
 
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I am not here to defend talmudic judaism and never said I was

i gave the quote; AND ITS SOURCE; for discussion purposes

if you want to ASK me what I think

instead of TELL me what i think, then do so

Jesus was crucified for attacking talmudic judaism

having said that the quote does point out some interesting historical facts
 

zone

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Who is the slanderer here? "false accusation"? Not my prob your'e too cowardly to ask her yourself whether she believes the holocaust or not.
believes WHAT about it?
you haven't DEFINED IT YET.


any plans to?
start a thread.
hopefully you have the facts.

i'm familiar with the Church of Holocaustianity.
more important to you than Jesus Christ.

get on with it.

start a thread.
 

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When you learned of their slaughter whether it be 1.5 or 6.0 million Jews,
did you grieve for them or did you think they deserved it? Was this chastisement from God or
were they slaughtered because of being hated and rejected or maybe both?
What does anyone's response 50 years later have to do with the actual events?

Irrelevant, and useful only for more blame-shifting.

Drip. . .drip. . .more guilting. . .more finding some kind of way to make guilty the one who disagrees with you.

It's so weird. . .self-centered. . .this red herring.
 
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zone

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I am not here to defend talmudic judaism and never said I was

i gave the quote; AND ITS SOURCE; for discussion purposes

if you want to ASK me what I think

instead of TELL me what i think, then do so

Jesus was crucified for attacking talmudic judaism

having said that the quote does point out some interesting historical facts
facts? i read the page.
that would take a whole new thread to straighten out.

i do not know the jesus that called for all this slaughter to get unbelievers into a land He already said had no more significance FOR THE FATHER or for HIM.

John 4
21Jesus saith to her, ‘Woman, believe me, that there doth come an hour, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father; 22ye worship what ye have not known; we worship what we have known, because the salvation is of the Jews; 23but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him; 24God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.’
 

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All negative, all defensive and critical, nothing good coming from the tongue because of a wrong frame of reference and orientation in the understanding. These are the musings of your own heart and
there is no goodness of God in those musings.
Your point?

There probably won't be a whole of "musings on the goodness of God" from the condemned at the Final Judgment either.