Not By Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
jackrosie

jackrosie

Banned
#140,201
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
#140,201
DorothyMae said:
My dear, that was Jesus in you asking that question! And I am not flattering you. The HS within me recognizes his voice in your words.
Click to expand...

I agree...but didn’t like to say....I believe also it was the Holy Spirit speaking through me.

I’m waiting for an answer on my question that I posted 3x so far only you have replied @DorothyMae ...

I also agree 100 % about the fruit that aChristian should bear.
 
G

Guojing

Banned
#140,202
Jan 12, 2019
7,497
1,399
113
#140,202
jackrosie said:
That has always baffled me..many a time a time I have said to the Lord

Lord I see no fruit I don’t understand....but in others I see much fruit....in other words the Lord shines out of them.
Click to expand...
Now you can understand what James 2:14 is saying. ;)
 
D

DorothyMae

Banned
#140,203
May 23, 2020
1,558
313
83
#140,203
Magenta said:
Surely we are to see ourselves in Scripture.
Click to expand...
Only if it is the truth. And it’s a better to let another see the scripture in you. “Let another praise you, not your own lips.” Paul saw himself as the chief of sinners which is easier to understand if we think about the truth that he was personally responsible for some christians ring dragged out and stoned. If one wants to build godly self esteem, it’s best to ask God to show you what He thinks of you.
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#140,204
Jul 3, 2015
59,815
29,194
113
#140,204
jackrosie said:
Shouldn’t we see them by their fruit...Magenta?
Click to expand...
I think many err to think they know the designs God has on another, or in failing to comprehend the fact that they do not see all of another person's life, in particular places where fruit may be more obvious.
 
jackrosie

jackrosie

Banned
#140,205
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
#140,205
Magenta said:
I think many err to think they know the designs God has on another, or in failing to comprehend the fact that they do not see all of another person's life, in particular places where fruit may be more obvious.
Click to expand...

But the Lord said you shall know them by their fruit...Magenta?

There is no mistake in those words.

“You shall know them by their fruits”
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#140,206
Jul 3, 2015
59,815
29,194
113
#140,206
DorothyMae said:
Only if it is the truth. And it’s a better to let another see the scripture in you. “Let another praise you, not your own lips.” Paul saw himself as the chief of sinners which is easier to understand if we think about the truth that he was personally responsible for some christians ring dragged out and stoned. If one wants to build godly self esteem, it’s best to ask God to show you what He thinks of you.
Click to expand...
Yes and we do that by seeing ourselves in Scripture just as I said though you present your response as if in disagreement.
 
D

DorothyMae

Banned
#140,210
May 23, 2020
1,558
313
83
#140,210
jackrosie said:
I agree...but didn’t like to say....I believe also it was the Holy Spirit speaking through me.

I’m waiting for an answer on my question that I posted 3x so far only you have replied @DorothyMae ...

I also agree 100 % about the fruit that aChristian should bear.
Click to expand...
You have the perfect attitude. You suspected it was the HS but didn’t claim it. You let another say it was God speaking through you.

That is exactly how it should be done. Well done faithful daughter of the Father!
 
D

DorothyMae

Banned
#140,212
May 23, 2020
1,558
313
83
#140,212
Magenta said:
I was asking for Scripture, not what you think. Your claim was That is what it says.
Click to expand...
Well it is so obvious as to why we wept bitterly from the description it didn’t need to be said. If I write

a hammer dropped on her toe and she wept for an hour, I don’t need to write why she wept.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
#140,213
#140,213
DorothyMae said:
My dear, that was Jesus in you asking that question! And I am not flattering you. The HS within me recognizes his voice in your words.
Click to expand...
You are filled with flattery.. yet your doctrine is wrong as night is not day.

You can never confess, nor be aware of all your sins... and it is human pride that supports the idea one can atone for one's sins and not need a Saviour.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
#140,214
#140,214
DorothyMae said:
Not according to Jesus. You know them by the character their theology produces.
Click to expand...
Go read that passage in context ...Jesus is talking about false teachers....false teachers have followers that are just as bad if not worse.
 
D

DorothyMae

Banned
#140,215
May 23, 2020
1,558
313
83
#140,215
Magenta said:
Yes and we do that by seeing ourselves in Scripture just as I said though you present your response as if in disagreement.
Click to expand...
If we pick the verses we’d like to say describe us, we are deceiving ourselves. Do you see? Who is the better judge of us, the self or others? Depends upon the degree of the love of truth right? We are more likely to pick flattering verses that aren’t true. Just because it’s in the Bible doesn’t mean it’s talking about us.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
#140,218
#140,218
DorothyMae said:
What passage?
Click to expand...

False teachers portray themselves as pious and with much flattery.... and may even call Him Lord.

The fruit is the product of their ministry, He is not speaking solely about the fruits of the Spirit.

People who follow teachers with bad doctrine....... are the bad fruit of the false teacher.
 
D

DorothyMae

Banned
#140,219
May 23, 2020
1,558
313
83
#140,219
EleventhHour said:
False teachers portray themselves as pious and with much flattery.... and may even call Him Lord.

The fruit is the product of their ministry, He is not speaking out the fruits of the Spirit.

People who follow teachers of bad doctrine are the bad fruit of the false teacher.
Click to expand...
Nonsense. The leader cannot be responsible for how his followers twist what he says.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.