Not By Works

[Hizikyah]

John 7:1-5, "7:1, "After this, Jesus traveled about in Galilee, because he didn’t want to travel in Judea, since the Jewish leaders there were trying to kill him."7:2, "Now the Jewish Festival of Tents was approaching."7:3, "So his brothers told him, “You should leave this place and go to Judea, so that your disciples can see the actions that you’re doing,"7:4, "since no one acts in secret if he wants to be known publicly. If you’re going to do these things, you should reveal yourself to the world!”"7:5, "Not even his brothers believed in him."

James letter was post resurrection and he lived his entire life learning from his older brother Yahshua/Jesus...

Matthew 19:28, "Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation,you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel."

John 7:5 For even His own brothers did not believe in Him

I suggest you wake up and get your head wrapped around the truth before you post.......when you post falsehoods like above all it does is prove you are missing the mark!

James letter was post resurrection and he lived his entire life learning from his older brother Yahshua/Jesus...

Matthew 19:28, "Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation,you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel."

post resurrection James would have known and did know and since James had learned his entire life he woiuld of had a lot of teaching stored up to reflect upon post Yahsha'Jesus ascention.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John 7:1-5, "7:1, "After this, Jesus traveled about in Galilee, because he didn’t want to travel in Judea, since the Jewish leaders there were trying to kill him."7:2, "Now the Jewish Festival of Tents was approaching."7:3, "So his brothers told him, “You should leave this place and go to Judea, so that your disciples can see the actions that you’re doing,"7:4, "since no one acts in secret if he wants to be known publicly. If you’re going to do these things, you should reveal yourself to the world!”"7:5, "Not even his brothers believed in him."





James letter was post resurrection and he lived his entire life learning from his older brother Yahshua/Jesus...

Matthew 19:28, "Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation,you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel."

post resurrection James would have known and did know and since James had learned his entire life he woiuld of had a lot of teaching stored up to reflect upon post Yahsha'Jesus ascention.

Did paul contradict james?

Again

Which statement is correct.

faith plus salvation = works

faith plus works = salvation.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Surprising, isn't it.. lol

Yay blue gives wisdom.........clap clap clap

 

[Hizikyah]

thanks, you just proved they are two different words. Which means your post was useless.

ok. or one is the literal act of being cursed, which brings destruction, and the other is the action of cursing another...

331. anathema Strong's Concordance

anathema: that which is laid up, i.e. a votive offering​

Original Word: ἀνάθεμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: anathema
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ath'-em-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, a cursed thing
Definition: a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.

2672. kataraomai Strong's Concordance

kataraomai: to curse​

Original Word: καταράομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kataraomai
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ar-ah'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I curse
Definition: I curse.

 

[gb9]

Did paul contradict james?

Again

Which statement is correct.

faith plus salvation = works

faith plus works = salvation.

e.g, your are leaving out Sabbath, that is what he thinks = salvation!

 

[Hizikyah]

Did paul contradict james?

Again

Which statement is correct.

faith plus salvation = works

faith plus works = salvation.

this I agree with, to simply its like all three are in unity.

If one is missing there is no unity.

 

[dcontroversal]

James letter was post resurrection and he lived his entire life learning from his older brother Yahshua/Jesus...

Matthew 19:28, "Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation,you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel."

Keep posting and proving you have no understanding. James did not believe until after the ressurection James the apostle was NOT THE JAMES THAT WROTE THE BOOK OF JAMES.....YOU have no credibility when you cannot be honest with even the men who followed Jesus

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ok. or one is the literal act of being cursed, which brings destruction, and the other is the action of cursing another...

331. anathema Strong's Concordance

anathema: that which is laid up, i.e. a votive offering​

Original Word: ἀνάθεμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: anathema
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ath'-em-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, a cursed thing
Definition: a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.

2672. kataraomai Strong's Concordance

kataraomai: to curse​

Original Word: καταράομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kataraomai
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ar-ah'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I curse
Definition: I curse.

One is the act of being unsaved (let them be damned. Or as paul said, I wish I was damned so my nation could be saved)

and one us US cursing another.

The fact is, they are different words with different meanings.

 

[stonesoffire]

One who has died, cannot do anything. However, the one new man can. If there is a sin? Either one has forgotten the image we have been given within, or has never understood what occurred. But! We have a faithful Saviour in Jesus who completes us to the day of the judgement seat. Entrance!

 

[dcontroversal]

Surprising, isn't it.. lol

Not at all Blue....you get the simplicity found in Christ

 

[Hizikyah]

e.g, your are leaving out Sabbath, that is what he thinks = salvation!

what about not murdering? does that not = salvation?

or are you being a accuser?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this I agree with, to simply its like all three are in unity.

If one is missing there is no unity.

Which one do you agree, which one is right?

 

[Hizikyah]

One who has died, cannot do anything. However, the one new man can. If there is a sin? Either one has forgotten the image we have been given within, or has never understood what occurred. But! We have a faithful Saviour in Jesus who completes us to the day of the judgement seat. Entrance!

may we abide in Him!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."[/FONT]

 

[BillG]

this I agree with, to simply its like all three are in unity.

If one is missing there is no unity.

And if one goes missing for a while?
Then what?

 

[gb9]

what about not murdering? does that not = salvation?

or are you being a accuser?

i'm not accusing you of anything. you think one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved. that is wrong, gentiles never had the law, nor were ever put under it.

 

[Hizikyah]

Which one do you agree, which one is right?

they are the same IMO:

to say that faith + works = salvation is false is to say James was wrong:

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"


James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

to say the faith + salvation =- works is to say a changed heart is not possibe and this is wrong:


1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”


1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."


Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”


John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”


BOTTOM LINE is this to me:

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

i'm not accusing you of anything. you think one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved. that is wrong, gentiles never had the law, nor were ever put under it.

can you post a single time that I said that? If you know it well enough to make witness you can qwuote me saying it. If not it is false witness.

Also the Sabbath is for Hebrew and gentile alike:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

once a Gentile enterd covenant with YHWH they were to obey Him:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”[/FONT]

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[BillG]

what about not murdering? does that not = salvation?

or are you being a accuser?

Why does one compare murdering to the Sabbath?
One may not keep the Sabbath continually as one other does. Yet both are true believers.

Yet a believer will not commit murder continually.

Murder is not just physical

Proverbs 18:21
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue,
And those who love it will eat its fruit.

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[stonesoffire]

may we abide in Him!

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

I have a thought about this but am not yet sure it's right. What if all who have ever been born is written in the book of life? And all rooted in the tree of life? Jesus did die for all mankind. This would be after the Cross of course. So unbelief, and never believing to the saving of our soul would be the reason for blotting out a name. Or breaking a branch off. This would be at death.

? Yes? No?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

they are the same IMO:

to say that faith + works = salvation is false is to say James was wrong:

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"


James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

to say the faith + salvation =- works is to say a changed heart is not possibe and this is wrong:


1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”


1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."


Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”


John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”


BOTTOM LINE is this to me:

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”


Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

oh boy, Thanks, you just proved my point, they are not the same,

the second equations states that salvation is earned by faith plus works.

It is the equation paul fraught against, (if it is of faith it is no longer by works, by works shall no person be justified, by works we were not saved but by Gods mercy)

the first question is the equation which paul used. That faith plus salvation = works.

ie, in algebra

faith plus salvation = works

1 plus 1 = 1

’If the resultant is zero. It means the equation must also be zero.

ie, if works = zero. Then faith must equal zero (it is dead) and salvation must equal zero (it is dead) which means a person never had faith, and never had salvation.

This is what James said, if one CLAIMS to have faith (he never said they had faith, he said they CLAIMEDS to have faith. But has no works. His FAITH IS ZERO. (He never had faith)

We are saved by faith, if you do not have faith, your NOT SAVED< and you will NEVER HAVE WORKS.