As I said, it seems there are some with a vary limited understand of many things on here. When one wishes to use scripture, they must keep every passage in line with the whole of scripture. When we try to make a point that isn't there, we run the risk of making ourself a higher authority than the creator, and law giver. So lets take a look at all the pointless drible that seems to make some feel the way they do.
To start with, lets take a look at this New covenant.
Jer 31:31¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:33 But this
shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Also see Heb. 8:8-10,
We find that what we are looking at is the Law. One may understand this to be the whole of Torah, and that is the genral ruel followed. However, as it seems that the Law is what was written by HaShem, we can conclued it seeps of that things written by HaShem in the first place. That being the 10 commandments, or 10 utterances. As for any that have studied the Torah will attest, the Temple services are laws that apply to the Temple services only. So to try and place in the same category as the Laws should help us in both our conduct with both HaShem and man is a bit misleading.
I know that in many churches they teach that the law is no longer written on tablets of stone, rather on the tablets of our hearts and minds.
In fact if one was to back this understanding with scripture, I would point to the following.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what
that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Don't get me wrong I have seen the above used to try and say that Yeshua's sacrifice was pointless. A teaching that holds no bases in any part of the Word. However if as we see HaShem didn't command the offerings, why is it in the Torah saying He did? Hustan we have a problem. The truth is what it is, and we can't change that. So when we look at the Torah we must keep in mind that the people had them in mind. It was something pasted down from the time of Adam. It was so ingrained in their minds, that like many today, anything out of what they think they know is sin.
HaShem never wanted sacrifices, He has always wanted us to know Him, and to obey Him. I am not trying to belittle the Temple services in any way. Although one may think I am, or that I wish to belittle the Hebrew people. Not so. However as has been pointed out, Abraham was called HaShem's friend, his obedience was counted as righteousness,
Gen 15:6¶And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
So this doesn't say it was obedience, yet when placed in context with the following, it does show that obedience comes with faith, and is a part of salvation.
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Jhn 14:15¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
As for it being a part of salvation,
Mat 19:17¶And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
there is none good but one,
that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Hold on buckwheat, that is talking of love not the Law. Ok lets move on and see where it leads.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Mat 22:36 Master, which
is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37¶ Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:39 And the second
is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Here we once more see that the Law, and the prophets are inter twined. just as we have seen in Mat.5:17. It gets better, so hang on.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Ever wanted to make Satan mad.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12¶Here is the patience of the saints: here
are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14¶Blessed
are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Ohoh Lucy you got some splaning to do. Now i know I may the only one on this thread to see it, yet it is hard to say that obeisance isn't a part of Salvation, is a bit hard to show under the given scripture. Yet in the end, what we find is in line with mat.5:17-18 in that nothing has changed. So maybe, just maybe it our understand that needs to change. We know we can't change the Word, and that as a whole the Word doesn't contradict it's self. So would time be best spent learning how one passage that is used to say the Law has been removed, destroyed, or abolished, fits with them that say it hasn't been. We can't have it both ways my friends. We simply must find the truth, rather than wast time going over the same tired teachings that have been seen here.
