Denominations?
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Except when you come to the teachings that say (1) water baptism = baptismal regeneration. (2) infants must be baptized for their salvation, (3) there is no salvation without the sacraments, (4) there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, and (5) all good Catholics will go to Purgatory. And don't forget to give Mary total devotion and pray to her. But to simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved is insufficient.
Reading from Scripture and then contradicting the Gospel through *Holy Tradition* means that in fact the Gospel has been nullified.
Reading from Scripture and then contradicting the Gospel through *Holy Tradition* means that in fact the Gospel has been nullified.
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Comparing those two is like comparing the Pharisees with Saducess. Two diferent sect that put aside their differences to accomplish one goal.. make the word of God without effect through a law of the fathers .
Matthew 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
Neither sect walks (understands God) by faith the unseen eternal . They are them that seek after signs and wonders gospel....as sign gifts. the things seen .
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
They made Jesus out to be a circus seal. . perform a miracle and after we see it then we will believe. The religion as in kill the messenger and silence the message as in out of sigh out of mind like with Cain in Genesis.. .Again no faith as it is it written
Denominations are of God' design as a father of many nations, sub nations sect. His design they are necessary but are not a source of faith.
I would not attend either place unless you are ready to bring the gospel light. Ultimately two or three (a family) that gathers under the hearing of faith.... Christ's. He is there working in them yoked with them. . . or a larger two or three million gather together under his name . No such thing as non denominational .We walk by faith the unseen.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
Neither sect walks (understands God) by faith the unseen eternal . They are them that seek after signs and wonders gospel....as sign gifts. the things seen .
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
They made Jesus out to be a circus seal. . perform a miracle and after we see it then we will believe. The religion as in kill the messenger and silence the message as in out of sigh out of mind like with Cain in Genesis.. .Again no faith as it is it written
Denominations are of God' design as a father of many nations, sub nations sect. His design they are necessary but are not a source of faith.
I would not attend either place unless you are ready to bring the gospel light. Ultimately two or three (a family) that gathers under the hearing of faith.... Christ's. He is there working in them yoked with them. . . or a larger two or three million gather together under his name . No such thing as non denominational .We walk by faith the unseen.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
The problem with having two divine authorities is the non venerable (worship-able) pew Catholic are not allowed to study to show themselves approved unto God according to the commandment And not just a good suggestion as they must say. The pew Catholic have no authority in respect to (sola scriptura) . They must trust what the eyes see. . . They must rather seek the approval of their fathers as another divine master serving two.
When offering their law of the fathers below its easy to see where the focus is lifting up their own sacred tradition oral tradition of sinful men first and foremost. to show the effect it does have when compared to all things written in the law and the prophets .
No man can serve two teaching masters.
The gospel is read but coming from another Christ (teaching authority) Coming from the things of men (daysman) or called a Pope... . same trouble (blasphemy ) Peter got in. . . refusing the work of the gospel forbidding Christ and was forgiven of his blasphemy .Today no forgiveness.
You could say up until. . . Peter get behind me Satan was rebuked. Peter is a perfect picture of the Pope making the grace of God to no effect... .clearly doing despite to the grace of Christ..The damnable (judgeable) heresy
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, "Satan": thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew16: 22-23
They need the gospel according to Christ... not Peter...Visit and wear the proper shoes.
Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
When offering their law of the fathers below its easy to see where the focus is lifting up their own sacred tradition oral tradition of sinful men first and foremost. to show the effect it does have when compared to all things written in the law and the prophets .
No man can serve two teaching masters.
The gospel is read but coming from another Christ (teaching authority) Coming from the things of men (daysman) or called a Pope... . same trouble (blasphemy ) Peter got in. . . refusing the work of the gospel forbidding Christ and was forgiven of his blasphemy .Today no forgiveness.
You could say up until. . . Peter get behind me Satan was rebuked. Peter is a perfect picture of the Pope making the grace of God to no effect... .clearly doing despite to the grace of Christ..The damnable (judgeable) heresy
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, "Satan": thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew16: 22-23
They need the gospel according to Christ... not Peter...Visit and wear the proper shoes.
Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Does offering a unknow remnant of grace other than to some entity mother named Mary as queen of heaven who alone received the fullness of the grace of God . And the rest of the world all the days of a person suffering they can add it, as grace, (time off) and after they leave this realm under the sun they must suffer for another unknown time or severity ? They even have a hidden doctrine called limbo ?
That does not sound like New Testament Christianity to me. More like Pharacism, laws of the fathers.. oral traditions of sinful men..
I will offer a good working example of that kind of faith (not true faith coming from God) . . having it in respect to men seen offering as to what it does looks like when it is trying to make sola scriptura, as it is written. . . without effect .(the war of the its).
Jerimiah 44: 16-17 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, (Mary) and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
And saw no evil. (strong delusion)
That does not sound like New Testament Christianity to me. More like Pharacism, laws of the fathers.. oral traditions of sinful men..
I will offer a good working example of that kind of faith (not true faith coming from God) . . having it in respect to men seen offering as to what it does looks like when it is trying to make sola scriptura, as it is written. . . without effect .(the war of the its).
Jerimiah 44: 16-17 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, (Mary) and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
And saw no evil. (strong delusion)
Victor, which country are you in?
Just a quick review on church history: the term "catholic" is used by scholars (not today's Christians) to describe Christians who were sound in their theology at that time. Some may have called them "Nicene" Christians because they did not deny the Trinity or the deity of Christ. Others were not catholic, and these non-catholics would be Arians, amongst others, who denied the Trinity and deity of Christ.
The "catholic" church was composed of multiple bishoprics, such as Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople, and Jerusalem. Of these, Rome was Western, and the rest were Eastern.
Monophysites separated from the "catholic" church due to a controversy over Christ's deity and humanity. The Eastern churches separated from the Roman Catholic Church in 1054 over the filioque clause, related to whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, or the Father and the Son.
And, of course, evangelical Christians separated from Rome at the Reformation.
At any rate, Russian Orthodoxy is more associated with Eastern churches. Eastern Orthodoxy reasons in a very different way than Roman Catholicism. I would characterize them as being more mystical and experiential, whereas Roman Catholicism would be more law-based, and based on reason.
Evangelical Christians (which is most of this forum), would tend to hate Roman Catholicism, and be ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy.
I would recommend trying to find an evangelical church if you can. If you are in Israel, particularly Jerusalem, I would recommend looking at the Youtube channel JerusalemAssembly and asking their advice. They are a group of Messianic Jews in Israel, but they are not like the Judaizers you would find here on this forum. They don't believe that Sabbathkeeping and eating clean meats is required.
If you want me to try to find something for you, perhaps you can let me know your city name, and country, and I can do some searches I'm pretty good at finding those sorts of things.
Regarding Orthodox churches, from what I heard, their building is supposed to be a replica of heaven, and that is why there are icons of saints. Supposedly the saints are associated with the icons, and enter into the worship ceremony with believers through the icons. I don't think there are any seats in an Orthodox church, so all the worshipers stand, except for those who are handicapped...they are seated on the outside with provided seats.
I would suggest that you look for an evangelical church, but at the same time, I think God is pleased that you are seeking him. That is the main thing. Don't fall for the cultic groups during your search for him, though. Find a good evangelical church if you can. The word "evangelical" simply means "the gospel" and it seems like there should be something around you. Unfortunately, though, in some areas, the choices are slim, and the only evangelical churches are Pentecostal/charismatic. I am not a fan of either one.
Just a quick review on church history: the term "catholic" is used by scholars (not today's Christians) to describe Christians who were sound in their theology at that time. Some may have called them "Nicene" Christians because they did not deny the Trinity or the deity of Christ. Others were not catholic, and these non-catholics would be Arians, amongst others, who denied the Trinity and deity of Christ.
The "catholic" church was composed of multiple bishoprics, such as Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople, and Jerusalem. Of these, Rome was Western, and the rest were Eastern.
Monophysites separated from the "catholic" church due to a controversy over Christ's deity and humanity. The Eastern churches separated from the Roman Catholic Church in 1054 over the filioque clause, related to whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, or the Father and the Son.
And, of course, evangelical Christians separated from Rome at the Reformation.
At any rate, Russian Orthodoxy is more associated with Eastern churches. Eastern Orthodoxy reasons in a very different way than Roman Catholicism. I would characterize them as being more mystical and experiential, whereas Roman Catholicism would be more law-based, and based on reason.
Evangelical Christians (which is most of this forum), would tend to hate Roman Catholicism, and be ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy.
I would recommend trying to find an evangelical church if you can. If you are in Israel, particularly Jerusalem, I would recommend looking at the Youtube channel JerusalemAssembly and asking their advice. They are a group of Messianic Jews in Israel, but they are not like the Judaizers you would find here on this forum. They don't believe that Sabbathkeeping and eating clean meats is required.
If you want me to try to find something for you, perhaps you can let me know your city name, and country, and I can do some searches I'm pretty good at finding those sorts of things.
Regarding Orthodox churches, from what I heard, their building is supposed to be a replica of heaven, and that is why there are icons of saints. Supposedly the saints are associated with the icons, and enter into the worship ceremony with believers through the icons. I don't think there are any seats in an Orthodox church, so all the worshipers stand, except for those who are handicapped...they are seated on the outside with provided seats.
I would suggest that you look for an evangelical church, but at the same time, I think God is pleased that you are seeking him. That is the main thing. Don't fall for the cultic groups during your search for him, though. Find a good evangelical church if you can. The word "evangelical" simply means "the gospel" and it seems like there should be something around you. Unfortunately, though, in some areas, the choices are slim, and the only evangelical churches are Pentecostal/charismatic. I am not a fan of either one.
Victor,
An additional remark:
This is why we need to study church history. You will find some cultic groups or even sincere Christians who are excessively critical of Roman Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy, and you will find some people who really don't know the problems of both of those groups and give them a pass. Better to know church history to determine the issues of each group.
Both of those groups have doctrinal issues, but in order to see them, you need to compare them with evangelical Christianity, not each other. By the way, both of them will insist they are the true church
Here's an article on Eastern Orthodoxy:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Eastern-Orthodox-church.html
Here's an article on Roman Catholicism:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Roman-Catholicism.html
Here's an article on Russian Orthodoxy:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Russian-Orthodox-Church.html
An additional remark:
This is why we need to study church history. You will find some cultic groups or even sincere Christians who are excessively critical of Roman Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy, and you will find some people who really don't know the problems of both of those groups and give them a pass. Better to know church history to determine the issues of each group.
Both of those groups have doctrinal issues, but in order to see them, you need to compare them with evangelical Christianity, not each other. By the way, both of them will insist they are the true church
Here's an article on Eastern Orthodoxy:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Eastern-Orthodox-church.html
Here's an article on Roman Catholicism:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Roman-Catholicism.html
Here's an article on Russian Orthodoxy:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Russian-Orthodox-Church.html