Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Jackson123]

I remember the story of Moses. God ask Moses to pray for water, but Moses hit the stone.
And god punish Moses.

To worship god must follow all god rule, i.e. Believe Jesus as god, die on the cross etc

If I say, I am worship true God, but not believe in Jesus, I am not worship the true God

But I want to worship God in my own way.

No, must ne in God way.

 

[Dan_473]

It may mean According to they knowledge, mammon and power are god

I think it means that Jews want to worship God, the true God, but they lack knowledge about God.

I think that's true for Muslims, too. They just have a lot less knowledge than Jews!

 

[Jackson123]

I think a good case can be made for saying that Muslims call God "God", but also listen to lies from Satan. Just as John saying false things about the tractor didn't change the tractor, Muslims repeating false things they heard from Satan about God doesn't change who God is

Muslim worship god in the Quran that tell mohammad Jesus not God
There for Muslim worship lucifer and they call it God

 

[Dan_473]

To my knowledge substance is also physical matter

Quote from dictionary
the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists and which has a tangible, solid presence.

End quote

This article might explain it better
"This prime matter is usually described as pure potentiality..."
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/form-matter

 

[Jackson123]

Great example! John calling the tractor and airplane doesn't change the nature of the tractor.

Muslim call lucifer god doesn't change the natur of lucifer it mean Muslim still worship lucifer, Only change the name not the nature.

 

[Wansvic]

I can see what you're saying. Now, when you wrote

Are you saying that everyone is given the opportunity to hear the gospel before they die?

Yes. I say this because all mankind must be given the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel. Because Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)

The word also states multiple times that judgment of what one has done during their lifetime comes after ones death:

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but AFTER THIS the judgment: Heb 9:27

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:27-29

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Eccl 9:10

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead WHICH DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Rev 14:13

 

[ScottyPchristian]

...what makes you think they need you to preach to them? Particularly since you say that they have more fruit in their lives than you did?

Christ commanded us to preach the Gospel to every creature. I know that they'll never hear the gospel message in the RCC and I know that all unconverted people end up in hell, so I do it because I love them.
They have no fruit at all, they're just white washed tombs. They're clean on the outside but full of corruption on the inside, just as every single unconverted person is.

 

[Wansvic]

Muslims do not worship the one true God of Judaism and Christianity. The following describes the origins of the god of the Muslims. https://mikeblume.com/moongod.htm

 

[Dan_473]

Yep.
Jews that believe Jesus worship true god, Jews that reject Jesus rebelt God

Rebelt is not worship

So Jews that reject Jesus not worship true god.
There for Jews that reject Jesus not worship Christian god

That's one way to look at it.
another is that Jews are worshipping the true God, and that they are blinded about who Jesus is.

 

[Dan_473]

Yep.
Jews that believe Jesus worship true god, Jews that reject Jesus rebelt God

Rebelt is not worship

So Jews that reject Jesus not worship true god.
There for Jews that reject Jesus not worship Christian god

Here's an example of what I mean
John 9: 29 We know that God has spoken to Moses. But as for this man, we don't know where he comes from."
The God that spoke to Moses is the true God. That's the God the Jews in this case are talking about, and trying to worship. But they are blinded about Jesus.

 

[Dan_473]

I remember the story of Moses. God ask Moses to pray for water, but Moses hit the stone.
And god punish Moses.

To worship god must follow all god rule, i.e. Believe Jesus as god, die on the cross etc

If I say, I am worship true God, but not believe in Jesus, I am not worship the true God

But I want to worship God in my own way.

No, must ne in God way.

I disagree. I think that would be "all or nothing" thinking.

Yes, in order to worship God properly, in spirit and in truth, you have to do it the way God says to do it.

Barnabas wasn't following all of God's rules in this story
Galatians 2: 13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

But that doesn't mean that Barnabas had switched to worshipping a different God.

 

[Dan_473]

Muslim worship god in the Quran that tell mohammad Jesus not God
There for Muslim worship lucifer and they call it God

That's one way to look at it.
another way is that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, and the Quran says things about God that are not true.

Just as in the above example, saying false things about a tractor doesn't change the tractor, so also saying false things about God doesn't change God.

 

[Dan_473]

Muslim call lucifer god doesn't change the natur of lucifer it mean Muslim still worship lucifer, Only change the name not the nature.

Sure! And following the same line of reasoning, Muslims worshipping God and then falsely attributing characteristics to God doesn't change the nature of God.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes. I say this because all mankind must be given the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel.

I see. As an example, then, what would that look like for someone who lived in the Americas about a thousand years ago?

 

[Jackson123]

That's one way to look at it.
another is that Jews are worshipping the true God, and that they are blinded about who Jesus is.

Don't you believe Holy Spirit will teach the true worshiper?
They blind because they don't worship true god

 

[Jackson123]

That's one way to look at it.
another way is that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, and the Quran says things about God that are not true.

Just as in the above example, saying false things about a tractor doesn't change the tractor, so also saying false things about God doesn't change God.

And say false thing about lucifer doesn't change lucifer.

You can call lucifer god, but it will not change lucifer into god, or you call lucifer as chicken etc, lucifer is lucifer, worship lucifer not worship god

 

[Jackson123]

Sure! And following the same line of reasoning, Muslims worshipping God and then falsely attributing characteristics to God doesn't change the nature of God.

Do you have identification card brother? Say passport

It say your name, country origins, date of birth etc

If there a little mistake, like name spelling, it may ok.
But if it say date of birth 12/36/2030, than it is serious problem. The authority will not accept it

Say you back from Mexico to us, in the border, homeland people will check your passport and not let you enter.

To say Jesus not god is not only false, but serious attack to the foundation of Christian doctrine.
The god in Quran must be lucifer

 

[Dan_473]

Don't you believe Holy Spirit will teach the true worshiper?
They blind because they don't worship true god

No, I believe that the holy Spirit teaches Christians.

 

[Dan_473]

And say false thing about lucifer doesn't change lucifer.

You can call lucifer god, but it will not change lucifer into god, or you call lucifer as chicken etc, lucifer is lucifer, worship lucifer not worship god

I believe you are starting with the assumption that Muslims worship Lucifer.

 

[Dan_473]

Do you have identification card brother? Say passport

It say your name, country origins, date of birth etc

If there a little mistake, like name spelling, it may ok.
But if it say date of birth 12/36/2030, than it is serious problem. The authority will not accept it

Say you back from Mexico to us, in the border, homeland people will check your passport and not let you enter.

To say Jesus not god is not only false, but serious attack to the foundation of Christian doctrine.
The god in Quran must be lucifer

That's actually a great example!
False information on the passport may prevent you from entering. That would correspond to believing false things may prevent you from entering the kingdom.

But putting false information on a passport doesn't change who you are. Just as false information in the Koran doesn't change who God is.