Can there be forgiveness without repentance?
- Thread starter JohnB
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Romans 5:8
-
1
- Show all
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:11-13 KJV
amen it’s actually what has to come first before righteousness sinners need to have thier sins remitted so Gid provided an atonement
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
and that he was buried,
and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
and we understand why he died
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
And we understand why we get baptized into his name
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
We have to first believe Jesus died for our sins and has willingly forgiven us because of his mercy and love towards us , then we will begin to understand God in truth God actually loves people as a father his children enough to suffer and die for thier wrongs to save them from death
“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:47-50 KJV
every Christian begins as a sinner who needs forgiveness from Jesus and then later they seek righteousness by learning from Jesus in the gospel
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
some have no leaniancy towards others some are very merciful and forgiving towards others forgivness is central to the gospel both gods forgivness first and ours towards others because of it
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:11-13 KJV
amen it’s actually what has to come first before righteousness sinners need to have thier sins remitted so Gid provided an atonement
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
and that he was buried,
and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
and we understand why he died
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
And we understand why we get baptized into his name
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
We have to first believe Jesus died for our sins and has willingly forgiven us because of his mercy and love towards us , then we will begin to understand God in truth God actually loves people as a father his children enough to suffer and die for thier wrongs to save them from death
“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:47-50 KJV
every Christian begins as a sinner who needs forgiveness from Jesus and then later they seek righteousness by learning from Jesus in the gospel
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
some have no leaniancy towards others some are very merciful and forgiving towards others forgivness is central to the gospel both gods forgivness first and ours towards others because of it
L
The antithesis of forgive is to hold a grudge. One should forgive because holding a grudge is a cause for continued bitterness to take root. Grudges and bitterness lead to spiritual and mental illness, and destroys faith.
Forgiving someone who is unrepentant turns them over to God to deal with. It does not mean you have to have a continued relationship with them.
The Lords prayer say forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. So when I pray i will often say that I hold no record of sin against me but leave those for You (that is God) to bring them to repentance so that they may be saved.
Forgiving someone who is unrepentant turns them over to God to deal with. It does not mean you have to have a continued relationship with them.
The Lords prayer say forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. So when I pray i will often say that I hold no record of sin against me but leave those for You (that is God) to bring them to repentance so that they may be saved.
-
1
- Show all
But "forgiveness" doesn't require BLOOD. it's a simple decision, an "act of the will".
And FORGIVING the sin / offence doesn't ELIMINATE the sin / offence - THAT takes BLOOD, and "Livestock blood" can only COVER / Hide the SIN temporarily. JESUS BLOOD removes it once and for all.
I recall a pastor a bit ago, who fell again to his "besetting Sin", and having repented again, and confessed again, he said "Oh Lord, I'm so sorry that I did it again".
Then he felt the Holy Spirit say to him: "done WHAT again" ???
And FORGIVING the sin / offence doesn't ELIMINATE the sin / offence - THAT takes BLOOD, and "Livestock blood" can only COVER / Hide the SIN temporarily. JESUS BLOOD removes it once and for all.
I recall a pastor a bit ago, who fell again to his "besetting Sin", and having repented again, and confessed again, he said "Oh Lord, I'm so sorry that I did it again".
Then he felt the Holy Spirit say to him: "done WHAT again" ???
Our forgiveness towards others is NOT conditional only if they repent.
Scriptural Examples are too many to list.
This does NOT mean that we repeatedly act as a doormat.
I may forgive someone for some wrong, regardless if they ask or not, but I’ll probably be more aware of their behavior.
Scriptural Examples are too many to list.
This does NOT mean that we repeatedly act as a doormat.
I may forgive someone for some wrong, regardless if they ask or not, but I’ll probably be more aware of their behavior.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
2 Distinctions:
1.) If we're not careful, we're going to conflate 2 separate and distinct issues:
A.) Can a human forgive another human without a need for repentance?
B.) Can a human receive forgiveness from God without repentance?
2.) Humans can certainly forgive other humans, whether there is repentance or not... as many have already shown from scripture.
A.) We still need to talk about things like "boundaries" and "consequences" for those we forgive but who do not repent.
B.) We also need to talk about the fact that human forgiveness is different than divine forgiveness:
- When I forgive someone it is primarily just a change in my own heart, it is mostly subjective.
- But when God forgives someone there are objective changes made: changes to the person's soul, their eternal trajectory, their circumstances, and on and on.
- It's a topic worthy of much discussion.
3.) Humans do not receive forgiveness from God (not in an atonement sense) without some kind of repentance.
A. In order to have a conversion experience, and receive genuine forgiveness and the eternal consequences of the atonement, there must be repentance.
B. There are however probably smaller, and lesser kinds of "grace", and "patience", that humans receive without the atonement. These are not technically acts of "forgiveness", but these acts of grace and long suffering may feel like forgiveness.
This is a great topic, but we need to be careful not to conflate these two different issues.
.
Have a great week everyone.
.
1.) If we're not careful, we're going to conflate 2 separate and distinct issues:
A.) Can a human forgive another human without a need for repentance?
B.) Can a human receive forgiveness from God without repentance?
2.) Humans can certainly forgive other humans, whether there is repentance or not... as many have already shown from scripture.
A.) We still need to talk about things like "boundaries" and "consequences" for those we forgive but who do not repent.
B.) We also need to talk about the fact that human forgiveness is different than divine forgiveness:
- When I forgive someone it is primarily just a change in my own heart, it is mostly subjective.
- But when God forgives someone there are objective changes made: changes to the person's soul, their eternal trajectory, their circumstances, and on and on.
- It's a topic worthy of much discussion.
3.) Humans do not receive forgiveness from God (not in an atonement sense) without some kind of repentance.
A. In order to have a conversion experience, and receive genuine forgiveness and the eternal consequences of the atonement, there must be repentance.
B. There are however probably smaller, and lesser kinds of "grace", and "patience", that humans receive without the atonement. These are not technically acts of "forgiveness", but these acts of grace and long suffering may feel like forgiveness.
This is a great topic, but we need to be careful not to conflate these two different issues.
.
Have a great week everyone.
.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
I have 2 siblings GOD used me to take them in and keep them from being homeless. I helped my brother get his Social Security and pension. He was taking in more money than me. He refused to pay his share of the rent, expected me to buy his food. I told him, "GOD provided you with a roof over your head, food on the table and I gave you a car to use" He lifted both fist to heaven and screamed "F GOD" than let out a torrent of swear words at me. At that moment GOD spoke to me and said "I'm done with him" Shortly after that he moved out. Would you forgive him or speak to him again?